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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:49 am 
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I would hazard a guess that most of those in homeless accomm are and mostly always will be dependant on the State.
And in your mind were they dependent on the State before they became homeless? Are the 3000 children who are currently homeless destined to be a burden on the taxpayer forever?

Genuinely curious about your views on this.

If government policy is adding 1000 children every year to lifelong state dependency (at €50k per annum each for 80 years or €4billion over their lives) then as a taxpayer you can understand the strong motivation to change the policy?


Coles, wouldn't it make sense to offer these homeless families rural accommodation.
The children will have better teacher to student ratio and by the time they're 18 they're old enough to fight for themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:07 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
I would hazard a guess that most of those in homeless accomm are and mostly always will be dependant on the State.
And in your mind were they dependent on the State before they became homeless? Are the 3000 children who are currently homeless destined to be a burden on the taxpayer forever?

Genuinely curious about your views on this.

If government policy is adding 1000 children every year to lifelong state dependency (at €50k per annum each for 80 years or €4billion over their lives) then as a taxpayer you can understand the strong motivation to change the policy?


Coles, wouldn't it make sense to offer these homeless families rural accommodation.
The children will have better teacher to student ratio and by the time they're 18 they're old enough to fight for themselves.

Absolutely. There should be a real push to reinvigorate rural towns and communities, but it'll only work if people want to move. It will definitely have a bad outcome if people are forced.

So, how do you do it? Encourage remote working would be a start. Maybe a tax credit for designated areas? Lower employer PRSI for a period for resettled workers? Enterprise assistance schemes, community employment schemes that focus on skills and training?

Personally, I would choose Leitrim over Dublin every time. Rural kids are happier and healthier.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:18 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
I would hazard a guess that most of those in homeless accomm are and mostly always will be dependant on the State.
And in your mind were they dependent on the State before they became homeless? Are the 3000 children who are currently homeless destined to be a burden on the taxpayer forever?

Genuinely curious about your views on this.

If government policy is adding 1000 children every year to lifelong state dependency (at €50k per annum each for 80 years or €4billion over their lives) then as a taxpayer you can understand the strong motivation to change the policy?

I would again guess that yes, a lot of them were dependent on the State to a large degree before they came homeless. Rent allowance, subsidised childcare etc.
Thats just a guess but the stats yesterday would somewhat back this up.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:03 pm 
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According to Ray what's-his-face on RTE 1 radio this afternoon, six new families are now moving to Kiltyclogher. That's all I caught of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
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Government to offer homeless families in Dublin the chance of house in rural counties

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ne ... 14265.html

That's the crisis sorted so. If you turn it down you're voluntarily homeless, and sympathy will wane


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
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Government to offer homeless families in Dublin the chance of house in rural counties

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ne ... 14265.html

That's the crisis sorted so. If you turn it down you're voluntarily homeless, and sympathy will wane

I think the rural offers will be voluntary and turning them down will not affect your position on the housing list. It's a carrot for people who are willing to relocate. The stick will be that if you turn down housing deemed appropriate by the local authority, then you may get booted off the housing list or relegated. At the moment, "more than 3,000 housing offers have been turned down because of a property’s size or location over the past two years".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.3214785

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:20 pm 
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TheJackal wrote:
Government to offer homeless families in Dublin the chance of house in rural counties

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ne ... 14265.html

That's the crisis sorted so. If you turn it down you're voluntarily homeless, and sympathy will wane


This, by all accounts, isn't going very well in the UK, where they've been at it for a while. Quite a lot of homeless people have part or even full-time employment... until they're banished to the middle of nowhere. It seems like an ideal way to make someone dependent on the state for life.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone want to move to Leitrim? Kiltyclogher wants you
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:22 am 
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Except that most people on social housing lists aren't homeless.


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