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 Post subject: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:25 pm 
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre ... ing38.html

Should be positive for house prices in the area; and may support the rental market.

However.

I would stress.

They have been talking about this for ten years at least.

And it looks like they have finally gotten to the stage of concluding the discussions about discussions, and moving on discussions about the actual project itself......at some point in the next twenty years future a brick will be laid......or maybe won't be.

This project is teaching me the meaning of Keynes aphorism "In the long run, we'll all be dead".


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:29 pm 
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YorkieBar wrote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0514/breaking38.html

Should be positive for house prices in the area; and may support the rental market.

However.

I would stress.

They have been talking about this for ten years at least.

And it looks like they have finally gotten to the stage of concluding the discussions about discussions, and moving on discussions about the actual project itself......at some point in the next twenty years future a brick will be laid......or maybe won't be.

This project is teaching me the meaning of Keynes aphorism "In the long run, we'll all be dead".


May hollow out some areas where DIT already active.


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:33 pm 
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AWAAF wrote:
YorkieBar wrote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0514/breaking38.html

Should be positive for house prices in the area; and may support the rental market.

However.

I would stress.

They have been talking about this for ten years at least.

And it looks like they have finally gotten to the stage of concluding the discussions about discussions, and moving on discussions about the actual project itself......at some point in the next twenty years future a brick will be laid......or maybe won't be.

This project is teaching me the meaning of Keynes aphorism "In the long run, we'll all be dead".


May hollow out some areas where DIT already active.


Kevin Street, Bolton Street, Cathal Brugha Street......dont think it would really matter that much....


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:25 pm 
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YorkieBar wrote:
AWAAF wrote:
YorkieBar wrote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0514/breaking38.html

Should be positive for house prices in the area; and may support the rental market.

However.

I would stress.

They have been talking about this for ten years at least.

And it looks like they have finally gotten to the stage of concluding the discussions about discussions, and moving on discussions about the actual project itself......at some point in the next twenty years future a brick will be laid......or maybe won't be.

This project is teaching me the meaning of Keynes aphorism "In the long run, we'll all be dead".


May hollow out some areas where DIT already active.


Kevin Street, Bolton Street, Cathal Brugha Street......dont think it would really matter that much....


maybe so but a fair few sandwich shops/pubs etc.


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:24 pm 
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heard the head of this on the radio this evening. Have planning... now they just need to get funding..
surely won't be easy.


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:15 pm 
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YorkieBar wrote:

at some point in the next twenty years future a brick will be laid......or maybe won't be.



Sums DIT Grangegorman up perfectly.


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:07 pm 
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at some point in the next twenty years future a brick will be laid......or maybe won't be.



Sums DIT Grangegorman up perfectly.



Sums up Ireland.

Think about how long it took to do Tallaght Hospital, O'Connell street, Terminal 2, Landsdowne Road Stadium,the Luas, the conference centre, the Corrib Gas field.The children's hospital is the latest mess. We have government by report, on report and no action.

Latest is the Gas Fracking report, which Gilmore promptly said he will set up a committee to report on the report. Why bother in the first place. A study group will then be set up to consider the committees report on the report, which will commission a Firm of highly paid international consultants to tell the study group what ever they want to hear, which will then be considered by the minister, who will file it in the Dail Library, and schedule a debate, at some time in the future, t which stage the original report will be out of date and a new report will be started, if anybody can remember the original question. Where was I? Oh yes and then we have the appeals, the appeal of the appeal, the judicial review of the appeal, the appeal of the judicial review.


Or there is some fuck up some where, and 5 different quangos announce investigations. (ever notice that?)


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:08 am 
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Here's the Pleanala link

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/ZD2005/ZD2005.htm

How long is this permission valid for? Couldn't find it.

This is one of those I'll believe it when I see it projects. But didn't the Gov say it was in their 5 year plans?


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:45 am 
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It's Funny I was just talking to someone the day this thread was created unbeknownst to myself. I find that happens a lot now. I think of a subject or curiosity and maybe months days and even weeks another pinster has formulated a thread so. It's fuppin' Magic I don't need to post any more :D

Well it appears the Demagogues are still deluded and drunk on their self perceived power and can not resist a bit of pomp and circumstance. The Great Mall of China and the Dublin Uni Quarter or DUQ (if it quacks like a DUQ then it probably is a DUQ) are this kind of thinking writ large!

Hey don't get me wrong I love big thinking but you must note all great ideas work on the smallest simplest principle or form and can scale accordingly, granting them word changing trans-formative ability; enduring until superseded by the same process of creation strikes gold once more.

This to me is more of the square peg round hole thinking of manifest of the last few decades emanating form the pantheon of Ireland most busy Demagogues. You'd think they'd have learned from Ballymun. The shopping malls built across the country vacating. The vast swathes of empty commercial and industrial space in the million of thousands of square feet, vacant.

Alas this is the kind of fuzzy feel good manna that politicians like to generate so as to harvest and empower themselves even more, by rounding up the community wagons and calling them stake holders. So they can parcel out to their cronies the social and monetary wealth of the so called stake holders.

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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:06 pm 
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Open Window wrote:
Alas this is the kind of fuzzy feel good manna that politicians like to generate so as to harvest and empower themselves even more, by rounding up the community wagons and calling them stake holders. So they can parcel out to their cronies the social and monetary wealth of the so called stake holders.



I know where you're coming from......you can just picture the focus group meetings taking place somewhere on Merrion St about this......a few heads from Kevin St....a few from Bolton St....a few from the department of education....a few from environment.....some random other observers chipping into to earn their consultancy fees.....the main objective of which is too string it out as long as possible so that no decisions are made.

One thing though: Have you ever been on the Grangegorman site......its a massive site right in (almost) the city centre with acres of green...they should do something with it regardless.


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:36 pm 
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Bird's eye view - it's a great site

http://binged.it/JAGcv4


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:43 pm 
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Bird's eye view - it's a great site

http://binged.it/JAGcv4


Yes and besdie it the a perfect monument to the waste and inaccuracy of the the demogogues, a decommissioned rail station terminal, Broadstone but now bus depot.

Good old strategic thinking from the same House that brought you Collapse 3.0.

In the DUQ grand plan was there a pace to establish it and plug it into the DUQ and surrounding areas?

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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Open Window wrote:
Yes and besdie it the a perfect monument to the waste and inaccuracy of the the demogogues, a decommissioned rail station terminal, Broadstone but now bus depot.

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Don't bring that up.......it would just upset me....

Paris turns its train stations into the Musee D;Orsay......one of the finest cultural spaces in the world.

Dublin......

....oh lord.


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:55 pm 
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slasher wrote:
Bird's eye view - it's a great site

http://binged.it/JAGcv4



What is the building with the bell tower on Grangegorman Lr? I always thought that was part of the train station, but there is actually a fair gap between them....


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 Post subject: Re: DIT at Grangegorman
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:05 pm 
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YorkieBar wrote:
Open Window wrote:
Yes and besdie it the a perfect monument to the waste and inaccuracy of the the demogogues, a decommissioned rail station terminal, Broadstone but now bus depot.

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Don't bring that up.......it would just upset me....

Paris turns its train stations into the Musee D;Orsay......one of the finest cultural spaces in the world.

Dublin......

....oh lord.


You might want ot sit down for my next quote....You see I trace the rough sketches of my ongoing hypotheses of semiotics vision by the trail of destruction these muppets leave behind. You can not hide your fearmind from OW's all seeing eyes!.... low and behold wiki reveals

Use for LUAS

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In April 2007 Iarnród Éireann announced that Broadstone Station was to be reopened for rail passenger use by 2010. [1]. Trains from Dunboyne and Navan, as well as existing services from Maynooth and Mullingar, will terminate at the station and connect with the Luas light rail system. This has given rise to a dispute between CIE/Irish Rail and the RPA over who gets to use the trackbed between Broadstone and Liffey Junction.[5] On 5 February 2008 Noel Dempsey, the Minister for Transport, indicated his preference for the Luas project over the re-opening of Broadstone for heavy rail, asking CIÉ to seek permanent planning permission for Docklands Station for the purposes Broadstone was intended for

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