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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:17 pm 
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observer35 wrote:
Wouldn't really class it as "off-market".


Well that's very subjective!

You didn't answer the questions though:
- Have you verified your data?
- How do you know that each property that you have listed as on-market was on-market?


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:27 pm 
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observer35 wrote:
BillG wrote:
observer35 wrote:
In effect, that is one "real" off-market deal in the top 52 Dublin transactions in all of 2015.


Have you verified your data? How do you know that properties in your list were "on market"?

Even a quick check on one of them shows that your data is incorrect:
49 Upper Leeson Street was Off-Market:
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-styl ... -1.2073914

I still have the brochure for 49 (it was sent around to many in December).
I think it did sell before it reached myhome.ie (but only just, if so).
Someone "overpaid" (clearly in hindsight), to get it done pre year end for some reason.
Wouldn't really class it as "off-market".
Some poor ex-pat in a panic having seen the mini-peak in 2014 (plus London market in full boom).

PS - I love the "quick check" implication BillG :wink:

wow you become more transparent to readers here by the day
an intelligent or reasonable person would admit they made a mistake and just edit the list
you would thnk you would want your list to at least be factual after going to the unnecssary bother (who really cares ??) of preparing this list
billg is correct that 49 upper leson st was off market
you actually verify that what he said is true when you say it "did sell before it reached myhome.ie" and so clearly did not reach the open market
what you are describing of a brochure being sent around without putting the house on the market is the very definition of off market
crazy behaviour and statements as always,,, but cant say im surprised

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01-07-15 33 on-market1 COLIEMORE VILLAS, DALKEY, DUBLIN 2,350,000

and when was 1 coliemore villas in dalkey on the open market as you claim ?
let me guess,, the agents internet was down the whol month they were trying to get it on the open market but they were just a day off getting it on the open market before it sold
just another of many many examples of you very publicly mistaking opinion for fact
the question is if your knowledge of the market is just poor or are you constantly trying to mislead readers and posters here to make yourself seem knowledgeable or for another hidden agenda ?


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:12 pm 
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Chaps play the ball not the man.

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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:58 am 
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58 Dartmouth square is up now at 1.2 mill with Felicity.


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:16 am 
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We haven't heard from Spectator1(s) (who does not work for SF) for a while.
(he disappeared after his "unbiased casual observer" routine was shown, well, not to be so "unbiased" or "casual")

It has been an even tougher summer in the Dublin high-end (BREXIT, Sterling Fall), after a poor Q1.

EAs are reverting to bigger discounts just to get interest going again, that they can sell up from.

This will sell higher than 1.2m (which is close to early 2013 pricing).

But it shows how fragile the Dublin high-end remains.


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:27 am 
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britshickhouse wrote:
58 Dartmouth square is up now at 1.2 mill with Felicity.

Link: http://oldwww.myhome.ie/residential/bro ... -6/3743543

Needs work but will sell over asking price IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:21 pm 
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Apologies, typo, 1.3 mill. Is around 1.45 a reasonable guestimate?


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:28 pm 
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britshickhouse wrote:
Apologies, typo, 1.3 mill. Is around 1.45 a reasonable guestimate?


wont be far off IMO


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:45 pm 
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britshickhouse wrote:
Apologies, typo, 1.3 mill. Is around 1.45 a reasonable guestimate?

Yes, if I had to guess I would say €1.45m - €1.5m. You never know though, as it would have achieved that kind of money this time last year anyway, so could go mad if someone is sick of waiting around as this is 'as good as it gets' in terms of Dartmouth Square. All the other sides have issues (west - small gardens, no offstreet parking + future development behind them inevitable, north - either small garden overlooked by mews houses or premium price for full garden but paying dearly for mews potential + bad orientation, or east - bad orientatation + generally no offstreet parking) whereas south side houses have relatively long gardens, rear access for offstreet parking, good orientation and only negative is more passing traffic, but not a major issue by any means IMO. Suitable for someone with €2m budget who wants a really great house on Dartmouth Square that ticks all the boxes.

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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:26 pm 
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observer35 wrote:
We haven't heard from Spectator1(s) (who does not work for SF) for a while.
(he disappeared after his "unbiased casual observer" routine was shown, well, not to be so "unbiased" or "casual")

sorry to burst your buble but im still here
lucky for everyone you have not been saying false things about houses here lately
my 'routine" is more unbiased than yours i feel but i have nothing to fight with you about,,, right now


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:37 am 
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Spectator1 wrote:
observer35 wrote:
We haven't heard from Spectator1(s) (who does not work for SF) for a while.
(he disappeared after his "unbiased casual observer" routine was shown, well, not to be so "unbiased" or "casual")

sorry to burst your buble but im still here
lucky for everyone you have not been saying false things about houses here lately
my 'routine" is more unbiased than yours i feel but i have nothing to fight with you about,,, right now


spectator - what do you think 58 will go for ?


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:58 pm 
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Spectator1 wrote:
observer35 wrote:
We haven't heard from Spectator1(s) (who does not work for SF) for a while.
(he disappeared after his "unbiased casual observer" routine was shown, well, not to be so "unbiased" or "casual")

sorry to burst your buble but im still here
lucky for everyone you have not been saying false things about houses here lately
my 'routine" is more unbiased than yours i feel but i have nothing to fight with you about,,, right now


Where's Auction Girl these days?


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:10 pm 
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58 dartmouth square is currently bid in excess of €1.45m and not sale agreed yet.

26 is sale agreed and i understand went a bit above the asking.


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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:55 pm 
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Meath101 wrote:
58 dartmouth square is currently bid in excess of €1.45m and not sale agreed yet.

26 is sale agreed and i understand went a bit above the asking.

As expected, then. There's no such thing as a bargain in this market!

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 Post subject: Re: WIW - 63 Dartmouth Square South
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:01 am 
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Agree – and if you consider that both the bottom and top floors need renovating in No. 58 you could add 500k for a high-end refurb job and you get to €1.95m which would over the €1.92m No. 63 sold for at auction in the summer - plus you have up to 2 years of pain ahead to do the actual work.


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