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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:33 pm 
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Belview wrote:
C.I.E. to Develope area around Connolly Station

That same year, CIE hired Lisney to find a partner to develop a 22-storey office block behind Tara Street train station in Dublin.
CIE had indicated that it was prepared to either grant a 300-year ground lease or take 10pc of the annual rental income from the proposed building.

Developer Johnny Ronan won the contract, and has teamed up with Cardinal Capital to build the office project, which will be known as the Aqua Vetro Tower. It's set to be Dubln's tallest building.


No its not, DCC have blocked this as its too tall and would upset the Georgian fetishists, despite being across from Liberty hall and within spitting distance of the shittycon docks.
location here:
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3480726, ... !1e3?hl=en

Apparently the students in Trinners might see this and be reminded they aren't in a timewarp back to 1790s.

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-co ... 3-Jul2017/

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The proposal would be reason of visual intrusion, have a significant and detrimental visual impact on a number of important views and vistas in the city including from College Green and the Trinity College Campus.


So no you can't build high density on top of a major transport hub contrary to what's in your own meaningless development plan.

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That’s never going to happen because they draw votes from the welfare dependents in the inner city. We must abolish DCC. We’ve done it before, in 1924 they were abolished and replaced by a three man panel answerable to cabinet.


DCC are 500 Mn in Debt, which minister can I write to to get them liquidated?


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:13 pm 
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The citizens of Dublin need to be saved from the blight of high rise buildings . There is something deficient in Dubliners compared to the citizens of hundreds of other large cities spread around the globe who appear well able to get on with their daily lives despite being surrounded by high rise buildings. But the DCC planners know best , so we will just keep building low rise and continue to widen the footprint of the city which currently covers an area of approx 40 kms from north to south and 20 kms from the bay going westwards.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:09 pm 
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Dublin 2050 - 50km long suburbs seems very real with huge amount of development in Wicklow.

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:41 pm 
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A friend of mine is a conservation type. He cares deeply about architecture and the built environment. Most people - me included - don't really think about it all that much.

He basically hates anything built in the last hundred years.

My guess is that people like him are disproportionately found as planners in DCC.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:54 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
A friend of mine is a conservation type. He cares deeply about architecture and the built environment. Most people - me included - don't really think about it all that much.


I think about it quite a lot and I think that Johnny Ronan's plan is for a bland, bulky building in the wrong place, but I also think that Dublin could easily survive and maybe even benefit from having more tall buildings in the right places. The docklands developments, particularly the north Liffey/Spencer Dock area and also the old CIE estate in Inchicore were missed opportunities. One can understand the relatively low elevation around Grand Canal Dock and out towards Beggar's Bush, since it was the first big, recent urban redevelopment of a derelict area in central Dublin and ambitions were bound to be more modest at the time, but when it came to the whole Tiger era boom on the opposite side of the Liffey and out to East Point, on an equally cleanable slate, they really dropped a clanger. The same is true of the south river front from the Samuel Beckett bridge out towards the Eastlink and beyond.

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He basically hates anything built in the last hundred years.


He has a point. :lol:
Most buildings from 1920 to 1990 look shit (imo). :( Most buildings post 1990 are just bland, but at least they're not expected to last very long, so it probably doesn't matter quite so much. :wink:


Skippy 3 wrote:
My guess is that people like him are disproportionately found as planners in DCC.


Disclosure: I am not a DCC planner. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:25 pm 
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Site for sale close to Facebook Building on East Road, a clear sign of rising prices in the outer edges of the North Docklands.

From todays newspapers---

Prime Dublin Docklands development Site for €27 million
October 11, 2017 188 Views
On the instruction of Duff & Phelps, Savills is marketing a rare development land bank of over 5 acres in Dublin’s North Docklands and is guiding €27 million.
The sale is expected to attract the interest of residential & PRS (private rented sector) developers and funds, as securing a site with such scale and in such a central location is a real rarity in the Dublin land market.

This site presents a significant unconstrained street frontage onto East Road and are bordered to the north and east by existing residential enclaves. The property comprises a prominent site of approximately 2.10 ha (5.20ac). The terminus stop of the Luas Red Line service is within walking distance, delivering access to Connolly Rail Station and City Centre within 6 minutes, as is the Docklands Rail Station. The site is located close to The Point Village District Centre, a significant retail development comprising the Point Village Retail Centre, O2 Entertainment Complex and the Gibson Hotel. The proximity of these facilities to the site puts it at a significant advantage for any future development.

Under the Dublin City Development Plan 2016-2022, the subject property is zoned Objective Z14 (Strategic Development and Regeneration Areas). While there is no current planning permission pertaining to the property for future development, a feasibility study has been prepared to illustrate the development potential of the subject site, subject to planning permission. The site is envisaged as being suitable for primarily residential use, given the adjacency on three sides of existing residential use.

The feasibility study, prepared by Dublin’s leading architectural firm O’Mahony Pike illustrates the potential of the site to accommodate a scheme of approximately 400 apartments ideally suited for the Private Rental Sector subject to securing the necessary planning permission. In addition Ray Ryan of BMA Planning has also prepared a planning report on the development prospects for the site.

The property is currently occupied, however vacant possession is available by August 2018. This provides the purchaser with an opportunity to benefit from short-term income whilst seeking planning permission for a scheme of development.

According to Savills, prospective buyers will be provided with an opportunity to capitalise on an area undergoing significant change in the north docklands and also to tap into the pent up local demand for residential accommodation both to rent and purchase.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:18 pm 
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I took a walk down to google HQ yesterday- I am very familiar with around the grand canal dock but never went near to where google offices are. I have to say I was shocked at how horrible the whole Barrow st is. It's pretty grim with the ugly little houses, the backs of those horrible 90s apartment facing the dart and the front of the google buildings themselves are bland and uninviting. I walked over to the gasworks apartments (which I didn't realise were basically right beside) and everything there struck me as incredibly dull and depressing. The whole place is a mess- maybe the new development at Bolands Mill will help but I just thought it was horrible.


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