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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:34 pm 
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Not a snowballs chance in hell that NAMA will be 100% wound down by 31 December 2018. 98% maybe but not 100%. Litigation cases ongoing, a handful of unsellable assets due to missing documentation or disputed ownership, construction ongoing / delays in the Docklands, Docklands sites not sold yet etc etc etc.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:36 pm 
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New Liffey Bridge - Contract Awarded

RPS, in a joint venture with Flint & Neill UK, has been appointed by Dublin City Council to deliver a new bridge over the River Liffey for pedestrian and cyclist use.

The RPS Flint & Neill team is responsible for the options study, planning, detailed design and construction stages of the proposed bridge, which will be located between the East Link Bridge and the Samuel Beckett Bridge. The team will design an ‘opening’ bridge to facilitate demand-led openings and maintain access for sea going vessels and the increasing water based activity and events in this thriving location.

The bridge will be over 130m in length and construction is programmed to commence in 2017.

The new bridge is required as part of the North Lotts and Grand Canal Dock Strategic Development Zone (the planning scheme for Dublin Docklands), which proposes an additional 20,000 new jobs to the Docklands area. The new bridge over the Liffey is critical to reduce pressure on the Samuel Beckett Bridge and East Link Bridge at peak times for pedestrians and cyclists. The development of the proposed bridge will also link the north and south sides of the Liffey and the Grand Canal Dock area both physically and in people’s minds, which will assist in the promotion of an integrated Docklands destination for foreign direct investment (FDI) critical to the Irish economy.

‘’Both RPS and Flint & Neill are working on the Mersey Gateway Bridge, the landmark cable stay bridge in Liverpool currently under construction – Flint & Neill as Bridge Designer and RPS as the Technical Adviser to the lenders including construction monitoring. RPS and Flint & Neill have an enviable track record as designers of landmark and award winning bridges and bring a wealth of experience and expertise to the Liffey Bridge project ,‘’ said Tony Magee, director buildings and structures, RPS.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:03 pm 
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Does this make any sense? Shouldn't they just have made the Beckett with an additional lane in each direction?

Also does it still make sense to have the bridges open? Must make them hugely more expensive to build and maintain.

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:04 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
Does this make any sense? Shouldn't they just have made the Beckett with an additional lane in each direction?

Also does it still make sense to have the bridges open? Must make them hugely more expensive to build and maintain.



The intention is to provide inter connectivity between the Grand Canal Dock area and North Lotts area. The new bridge will span the liffey at Castleforbes Road. The complete plan is to construct a 2nd new bridge to link up the Ringsend area with the Grand Canal Dock.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:07 pm 
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Jaysus how many bridges do we need?

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:18 pm 
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There are thousands of people working in the overall docklands area , with further major office construction at the eastern end of the docklands planned to come on-line in the next 2 years. To fully utilise the LUAS there is a need to provide better cross river access for pedestrians.


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Belview wrote:
There are thousands of people working in the overall docklands area , with further major office construction at the eastern end of the docklands planned to come on-line in the next 2 years. To fully utilise the LUAS there is a need to provide better cross river access for pedestrians.


Yeah but surely it makes more sense to build fewer, bigger bridges?

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:38 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
Belview wrote:
There are thousands of people working in the overall docklands area , with further major office construction at the eastern end of the docklands planned to come on-line in the next 2 years. To fully utilise the LUAS there is a need to provide better cross river access for pedestrians.


Yeah but surely it makes more sense to build fewer, bigger bridges?



More efficient idea = less money to waste or steal... actually it is same.

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:44 pm 
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mightyz wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
Belview wrote:
There are thousands of people working in the overall docklands area , with further major office construction at the eastern end of the docklands planned to come on-line in the next 2 years. To fully utilise the LUAS there is a need to provide better cross river access for pedestrians.


Yeah but surely it makes more sense to build fewer, bigger bridges?



More efficient idea = less money to waste or steal... actually it is same.



Why not go for only 1 bridge over the liffey but half a mile wide.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:58 pm 
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Belview wrote:
mightyz wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
Belview wrote:
There are thousands of people working in the overall docklands area , with further major office construction at the eastern end of the docklands planned to come on-line in the next 2 years. To fully utilise the LUAS there is a need to provide better cross river access for pedestrians.


Yeah but surely it makes more sense to build fewer, bigger bridges?



More efficient idea = less money to waste or steal... actually it is same.



Why not go for only 1 bridge over the liffey but half a mile wide.


I think we're heading in that direction...

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:36 pm 
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Issue with fewer giant bridges is that:
1) they suck for pedestrians and cyclists. Right now there is a 1km gap between the East Link and the Beckett bridge. That's a long way on foot. It means that you have two distinct areas north and south of the river with little commerce between them. This sort of blank wall tends to make an area pretty barren and sterile, city areas thrive on interconnection.
2) No point having bridges with huge capacity if the streets feeding them don't also have huge capacity, which the quays and the streets approaching the quays do not have.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:35 am 
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poohbear wrote:
Issue with fewer giant bridges is that:
1) they suck for pedestrians and cyclists. Right now there is a 1km gap between the East Link and the Beckett bridge. That's a long way on foot. It means that you have two distinct areas north and south of the river with little commerce between them. This sort of blank wall tends to make an area pretty barren and sterile, city areas thrive on interconnection.
2) No point having bridges with huge capacity if the streets feeding them don't also have huge capacity, which the quays and the streets approaching the quays do not have.


Fair points. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:20 am 
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poohbear wrote:
Issue with fewer giant bridges is that:
1) they suck for pedestrians and cyclists. Right now there is a 1km gap between the East Link and the Beckett bridge. That's a long way on foot. It means that you have two distinct areas north and south of the river with little commerce between them. This sort of blank wall tends to make an area pretty barren and sterile, city areas thrive on interconnection.
2) No point having bridges with huge capacity if the streets feeding them don't also have huge capacity, which the quays and the streets approaching the quays do not have.


+ 100, having worked on both sides in the area in question I can say it'll be a great addition and will make a big difference to non-car traffic.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:54 am 
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nearlyirish wrote:
poohbear wrote:
Issue with fewer giant bridges is that:
1) they suck for pedestrians and cyclists. Right now there is a 1km gap between the East Link and the Beckett bridge. That's a long way on foot. It means that you have two distinct areas north and south of the river with little commerce between them. This sort of blank wall tends to make an area pretty barren and sterile, city areas thrive on interconnection.
2) No point having bridges with huge capacity if the streets feeding them don't also have huge capacity, which the quays and the streets approaching the quays do not have.


+ 100, having worked on both sides in the area in question I can say it'll be a great addition and will make a big difference to non-car traffic.


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I worked there too. Remember the Dinghy Boat Thingy that was there before the Becket Bridge? It used to be great when the weather was good. Think it cost a euro to cross.


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 Post subject: Re: North Docklands - On the Rise !
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From todays Irish Times

One of the largest stretches of development land likely to come on the market in Dublin this year, a six-acre waterfront site at Spencer Dock in the north Dublin docklands, is expected to be of interest to Irish and overseas investors when it comes on the market today.
Joint selling agents JLL and BNP Paribas Real Estate are guiding €50 million for the land, which is likely to be used for a mixed development between PwC’s headquarters and the planned new Central Bank headquarters.
The land forms part of a larger site originally owned by CIÉ at Spencer Dock which was due to be developed by Treasury Holdings before the market collapsed and the company was wound up. Receivers Luke Charleton and David Hughes of EY have now been appointed by Nama to handle the sale.
The site has planning permission for a 169-bedroom hotel, more than 31,580sq m (340,000sq ft) of offices and 165 apartments, with further scope for additional facilities.
CIE is also set to benefit from the sale, having retained a freehold interest in ground leases at the former railway yard which extends to more than 50 acres. The State transport company is understood to be entitled to either 17.5 per cent of the sale price or a similar stake in ground leases where buildings are completed and let. Treasury had developed only 20 of the 50 acres it had a lean on in Spencer Dock by the time the market crashed.
Located within the Strategic Development Zone (SDZ), and zoned for a mixed-use development, the site will almost certainly be used for a new urban quarter adjacent to the Spencer Dock development. The land is divided in two by the red Luas line on Mayor Street Upper. The southern portion, overlooking the River Liffey, is earmarked for the commercial element. The 169-bed hotel will be located within the former London and North Western Hotel dating back to the 1800s, with an interlinking eight-storey modern extension.
In addition to the hotel, there will be two high-quality office buildings. The front block will provide almost 16,722sq m (180,000sq ft) of offices over nine floors including a penthouse with views over docklands. The second office block to be located at the rear of the hotel will have 14,864sq m (160,000sq ft) over seven floors with community and retail facilities at street level.
The northern section has planning for a six-storey multifamily development providing 165 high-quality apartments with landscaped communal areas. A breakdown shows 23 of the apartments will be one-bedroom units; there will be 117 two-bedroom homes and 25 three-bedroom units. The scheme will include parking for 90 cars and 186 bicycles. The agents say there will also be scope for additional development on the portion of the site fronting on to Mayor Street.
Luke Charleton, joint receiver with David Hughes of EY, says the site has the potential to house two large headquarters for businesses looking to locate in this area. “We expect a great deal of interest both from local and international investors.”
Des Lennon says the timing of the sale is favourable given the current shortage of new office space and apartments in Dublin. The developers who secured the site could capitalise on the strong demand from the occupier markets. Further endorsement comes from Mark Forrest of BNP, who says the scale, location and zoning of the site is an opportunity not to be missed for the redevelopment of a large mixed-use site in the docklands.


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