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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:06 pm 
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IT- the impartial paper of record!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.3052978
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A whiff of sulphur hangs over three of the four leading candidates in the French presidential election: Marine Le Pen, for the racist, xenophobic history of the Front National (FN); Jean-Luc Mélenchon for his Trotskyist background and fondness for Latin American dictators; Le Pen and the conservative François Fillon because they are under investigation for alleged corruption.
That leaves Emmanuel-the-good-Macron, independent centrist and blue-eyed boy of French politics. And even Macron was forced to deny a story circulating on the internet on Tuesday that he had an offshore account.


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IT- the impartial paper of record!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.3052978
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A whiff of sulphur hangs over three of the four leading candidates in the French presidential election: Marine Le Pen, for the racist, xenophobic history of the Front National (FN); Jean-Luc Mélenchon for his Trotskyist background and fondness for Latin American dictators; Le Pen and the conservative François Fillon because they are under investigation for alleged corruption.
That leaves Emmanuel-the-good-Macron, independent centrist and blue-eyed boy of French politics. And even Macron was forced to deny a story circulating on the internet on Tuesday that he had an offshore account.

Is there something inaccurate in the description?

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Is there something inaccurate in the description?


Emmanuel-the-good LOL, Emmanuel-the-weirdo would be a better description

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werpen wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
IT- the impartial paper of record!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.3052978
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A whiff of sulphur hangs over three of the four leading candidates in the French presidential election: Marine Le Pen, for the racist, xenophobic history of the Front National (FN); Jean-Luc Mélenchon for his Trotskyist background and fondness for Latin American dictators; Le Pen and the conservative François Fillon because they are under investigation for alleged corruption.
That leaves Emmanuel-the-good-Macron, independent centrist and blue-eyed boy of French politics. And even Macron was forced to deny a story circulating on the internet on Tuesday that he had an offshore account.

Is there something inaccurate in the description?


You expect insightful journalism from the IT? That was your first mistake.

Marine LePen - traditional nationalist conservative Gaullist of La France profonde with a plurality of the working class vote. The PS, not the FN, is now the "racialist" party in France. You should hear them as they try to explain away maghrebian/musulman anti-semitic / non-magreb attacks. Which are endemic in ZUS's.

Melenchon is a pure communist and his election platform is straight out of the Chavez/Morales school of South American marxist dictatorship. A complete fucking loon whose opinions make Corbyn sound sane and pragmatic. But he sounds good on the telly..

Fillon is the only real pragmatic reformer in the race. The "scandal" it turns out was a hit piece from Hollandes office. No one in France really takes these stories seriously. No one in French politics is "clean" so when stories like this are made public one always assumes its a play by one of the opposition. At first I thought Juppe's people might be behind it. But a story planted in Le Canard was a strange way to go about it. There was a big push by Juppes lot to give Fillon the heave ho when the story first broke. But that move was checkmated by Sarkozy so Fillion survived the onslaught and still has a sporting chance of making it to round two.

Macron is a pure media play sock puppet candidate. A nothing. A light weight Justin Trudeau. The candidate of the establishment, the enarque, the UE administrative state status quo. Much like Schulz in Germany. Macron has serious money behind him, from people such as Bouygues and his friends. But despite the media spin there seems to be little enthusiasm for Macron in person from voters. So I expect him to under-perform the poll numbers on Sunday.

Given the current polls and the very high levels of undecideds and likely low turn out its still a toss up who will be the other candidate in the second round. But it still looks like Le Pen in pole position. And I suspect Fillion will just sneak through to the second round. But given the rather febrile state of France at the moment, who knows. Its going to be interesting watching the first results come in on Sunday night. If there is any kind of serious "fuck you", "fuck the establishment" vote Melenchon will do very well. Melenchon is kind of like the French Trump candidate. Except Melenchon actually does come for a political tradition that when given the chance uses the organs of the state to murder and oppress millions and suppress political dissent. Unlike Trump. Who is just an populist opportunist. So think of Melenchon as little more than a non-mestizo Hugo Chavez. But with a far better command of his native language.


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Police arrested two men in Marseille Tuesday on suspicion of planning an attack, just days before the first round of France’s presidential election, with bomb-making materials and guns found in searches.

The foiled plot sparked fears that the closing days of the campaign could be a target for extremists ahead of Sunday’s vote, the country’s most unpredictable election in decades.

Elite police and agents from France’s domestic intelligence agency detained the two Frenchmen — identified only as 23-year-old Clement B. and Mahiedine M., 29 in the Mediterranean port city and Interior Minister Matthias Fekl said they were known to be “radicalized.”

“They were aiming to commit in the very short term, in other words in the next few days, an attack on French soil,” Fekl said.

Police found guns and bomb-making materials in searches across Marseille. Later in the day, soldiers and police were still sealing off a road where one of the men was arrested.

Officials gave no indication of who the men had been targeting, but the campaign team of far-right candidate Marine Le Pen linked the arrests to her planned campaign visit to the city on Wednesday.


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/0 ... PcbPaIlGUk



and a day later:

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A gunman wielding an assault rifle on Thursday night killed a police officer on Paris’s most iconic boulevard, the Champs-Élysées, stirring France’s worst fears of a terrorist attack, which could tip voting in a hotly contested presidential election that starts on Sunday.

The gunman was shot dead by the police as he tried to flee on foot; two other police officers and a bystander were wounded.



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Near midnight, President François Hollande said in an address to the nation that the attack appeared to be an act of terrorism. The Islamic State claimed responsibility in a message posted on a jihadi channel, and the Paris prosecutor said he had opened a terrorism investigation.

Analysts have been saying for weeks that an attack just before the first vote, or between the first vote and the runoff on May 7, could tip the election toward a candidate perceived as tougher on crime and terrorism, especially the far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who hardened her stand against Muslim immigration in the campaign’s final days, linking it to security fears, or François Fillon, who has pledged to eradicate Islamic terrorism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/worl ... .html?_r=0


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In a statement from the Isis-affiliated Amaq news agency, the extremist group gave a pseudonym for the shooter, indicating he was Belgian.


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US President Donald Trump said: “It looks like another terrorist attack. What can you say – it never ends. We have to be strong and be vigilant.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 94046.html


'Look whats happening in Sweden, look whats happening in France, Germany' etc
how people scorned Trump for that, then we have the mayor of London claiming terrorism is just part of city living (acceptable levels of violence ring any bells? i.e you believe you cant do much about it but reduce the overall total)

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The presidential campaigns of all major candidates has been pretty much suspended as of today, it seems because their security could no longer be guaranteed. Its starting to look like the failed attack on Le Pen earlier on in the week was only one of several ongoing conspiracies. It looks like it was a GCHQ intercept that thwarted the LePen attack and based on what she said today intelligence picture must be pretty grim. Given all the recent police demonstrations and police union leaders public statements against the Hollandes governments refusal to crack down on known salafis and radicals Macrons response to the attacks has pretty much finished his chances of getting through to the second round.

Its increasingly looking like we'll be saying Madame La Presidente in two weeks time. I would not be too surprised if she breaks 30% on Sunday. A sort of a reverse Atocha Effect. Pour la défense de la République..

We are very much in uncharted waters here. Very last days of the Fourth..


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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:

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US President Donald Trump said: “It looks like another terrorist attack. What can you say – it never ends. We have to be strong and be vigilant.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 94046.html


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Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22846.html


There is very little in the difference from what trump and khan said. it never ends - part and parcel

be strong and be vigilant - capitals 'have got to be prepared' “That means being vigilant, having a police force that is in touch with communities, it means the security services being ready, but it also means exchanging ideas and best practice”,

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You expect insightful journalism from the IT? That was your first mistake.

Marine LePen - traditional nationalist conservative Gaullist of La France profonde with a plurality of the working class vote. The PS, not the FN, is now the "racialist" party in France. You should hear them as they try to explain away maghrebian/musulman anti-semitic / non-magreb attacks. Which are endemic in ZUS's.

Melenchon is a pure communist and his election platform is straight out of the Chavez/Morales school of South American marxist dictatorship. A complete fucking loon whose opinions make Corbyn sound sane and pragmatic. But he sounds good on the telly..

Fillon is the only real pragmatic reformer in the race. The "scandal" it turns out was a hit piece from Hollandes office. No one in France really takes these stories seriously. No one in French politics is "clean" so when stories like this are made public one always assumes its a play by one of the opposition. At first I thought Juppe's people might be behind it. But a story planted in Le Canard was a strange way to go about it. There was a big push by Juppes lot to give Fillon the heave ho when the story first broke. But that move was checkmated by Sarkozy so Fillion survived the onslaught and still has a sporting chance of making it to round two.

Macron is a pure media play sock puppet candidate. A nothing. A light weight Justin Trudeau. The candidate of the establishment, the enarque, the UE administrative state status quo. Much like Schulz in Germany. Macron has serious money behind him, from people such as Bouygues and his friends. But despite the media spin there seems to be little enthusiasm for Macron in person from voters. So I expect him to under-perform the poll numbers on Sunday.

Given the current polls and the very high levels of undecideds and likely low turn out its still a toss up who will be the other candidate in the second round. But it still looks like Le Pen in pole position. And I suspect Fillion will just sneak through to the second round. But given the rather febrile state of France at the moment, who knows. Its going to be interesting watching the first results come in on Sunday night. If there is any kind of serious "fuck you", "fuck the establishment" vote Melenchon will do very well. Melenchon is kind of like the French Trump candidate. Except Melenchon actually does come for a political tradition that when given the chance uses the organs of the state to murder and oppress millions and suppress political dissent. Unlike Trump. Who is just an populist opportunist. So think of Melenchon as little more than a non-mestizo Hugo Chavez. But with a far better command of his native language.


Fillon is so crooked even the French could see it. To say these dont make a difference is not borne out by his campaign. He has sunk like a stone following the revelations

The only way i can see Le Pen winning is a run off with Fillon or Melenchon
LePen - Marcon, easy win for Marcon providing he panders to the right regarding immigration

Macron if he gets through should win easy enough.

Fillon - Melenchon again i would say its close

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jmc wrote:

You expect insightful journalism from the IT? That was your first mistake.

Marine LePen - traditional nationalist conservative Gaullist of La France profonde with a plurality of the working class vote. The PS, not the FN, is now the "racialist" party in France. You should hear them as they try to explain away maghrebian/musulman anti-semitic / non-magreb attacks. Which are endemic in ZUS's.

Melenchon is a pure communist and his election platform is straight out of the Chavez/Morales school of South American marxist dictatorship. A complete fucking loon whose opinions make Corbyn sound sane and pragmatic. But he sounds good on the telly..

Fillon is the only real pragmatic reformer in the race. The "scandal" it turns out was a hit piece from Hollandes office. No one in France really takes these stories seriously. No one in French politics is "clean" so when stories like this are made public one always assumes its a play by one of the opposition. At first I thought Juppe's people might be behind it. But a story planted in Le Canard was a strange way to go about it. There was a big push by Juppes lot to give Fillon the heave ho when the story first broke. But that move was checkmated by Sarkozy so Fillion survived the onslaught and still has a sporting chance of making it to round two.

Macron is a pure media play sock puppet candidate. A nothing. A light weight Justin Trudeau. The candidate of the establishment, the enarque, the UE administrative state status quo. Much like Schulz in Germany. Macron has serious money behind him, from people such as Bouygues and his friends. But despite the media spin there seems to be little enthusiasm for Macron in person from voters. So I expect him to under-perform the poll numbers on Sunday.

Given the current polls and the very high levels of undecideds and likely low turn out its still a toss up who will be the other candidate in the second round. But it still looks like Le Pen in pole position. And I suspect Fillion will just sneak through to the second round. But given the rather febrile state of France at the moment, who knows. Its going to be interesting watching the first results come in on Sunday night. If there is any kind of serious "fuck you", "fuck the establishment" vote Melenchon will do very well. Melenchon is kind of like the French Trump candidate. Except Melenchon actually does come for a political tradition that when given the chance uses the organs of the state to murder and oppress millions and suppress political dissent. Unlike Trump. Who is just an populist opportunist. So think of Melenchon as little more than a non-mestizo Hugo Chavez. But with a far better command of his native language.


Fillon is so crooked even the French could see it. To say these dont make a difference is not borne out by his campaign. He has sunk like a stone following the revelations

The only way i can see Le Pen winning is a run off with Fillon or Melenchon
LePen - Marcon, easy win for Marcon providing he panders to the right regarding immigration

Macron if he gets through should win easy enough.

Fillon - Melenchon again i would say its close


Fillons numbers changed little. Any dip (pretty shallow) was due mainly to undecided changing their position. The only real dip in support during the campaign was the Hamon / PS death plunge. Which was very real. If you think Fillon is crooked you really have not been following the many many scandals over the years. L'affaire Penelope rates about 2 on the scandal scale. You must have missed the Chirac / Total FINA / Saddam / Iraq scandal which has been the only solid 9 in the last few decades. Much better than the misuse of funds scandal while Mayor of Paris. Which was a fairly lackluster 6. You have to go back to the Mitterrand era to find the really juicy scandals. The 10's.

Macron is a pure invention of the media. Lacking even the depth of support of Tony Blair. I see de Villepin has just come out in support of him. That speaks volumes.

If you want a good laugh suggest you read Melenchon's campaign platform. Pure unadulterated Chavizmo.

https://laec.fr/sommaire

A complete loon. Even makes the "official" Trot candidate sound reasonable in comparison.

Anyway, its going to a big bag of pop corn in front of TF 1 on Sunday night after the polls close. Its going to be an interesting night.


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werpen wrote:
jmc wrote:

You expect insightful journalism from the IT? That was your first mistake.

Marine LePen - traditional nationalist conservative Gaullist of La France profonde with a plurality of the working class vote. The PS, not the FN, is now the "racialist" party in France. You should hear them as they try to explain away maghrebian/musulman anti-semitic / non-magreb attacks. Which are endemic in ZUS's.

Melenchon is a pure communist and his election platform is straight out of the Chavez/Morales school of South American marxist dictatorship. A complete fucking loon whose opinions make Corbyn sound sane and pragmatic. But he sounds good on the telly..

Fillon is the only real pragmatic reformer in the race. The "scandal" it turns out was a hit piece from Hollandes office. No one in France really takes these stories seriously. No one in French politics is "clean" so when stories like this are made public one always assumes its a play by one of the opposition. At first I thought Juppe's people might be behind it. But a story planted in Le Canard was a strange way to go about it. There was a big push by Juppes lot to give Fillon the heave ho when the story first broke. But that move was checkmated by Sarkozy so Fillion survived the onslaught and still has a sporting chance of making it to round two.

Macron is a pure media play sock puppet candidate. A nothing. A light weight Justin Trudeau. The candidate of the establishment, the enarque, the UE administrative state status quo. Much like Schulz in Germany. Macron has serious money behind him, from people such as Bouygues and his friends. But despite the media spin there seems to be little enthusiasm for Macron in person from voters. So I expect him to under-perform the poll numbers on Sunday.

Given the current polls and the very high levels of undecideds and likely low turn out its still a toss up who will be the other candidate in the second round. But it still looks like Le Pen in pole position. And I suspect Fillion will just sneak through to the second round. But given the rather febrile state of France at the moment, who knows. Its going to be interesting watching the first results come in on Sunday night. If there is any kind of serious "fuck you", "fuck the establishment" vote Melenchon will do very well. Melenchon is kind of like the French Trump candidate. Except Melenchon actually does come for a political tradition that when given the chance uses the organs of the state to murder and oppress millions and suppress political dissent. Unlike Trump. Who is just an populist opportunist. So think of Melenchon as little more than a non-mestizo Hugo Chavez. But with a far better command of his native language.


Fillon is so crooked even the French could see it. To say these dont make a difference is not borne out by his campaign. He has sunk like a stone following the revelations

The only way i can see Le Pen winning is a run off with Fillon or Melenchon
LePen - Marcon, easy win for Marcon providing he panders to the right regarding immigration

Macron if he gets through should win easy enough.

Fillon - Melenchon again i would say its close


Fillons numbers changed little. Any dip (pretty shallow) was due mainly to undecided changing their position. The only real dip in support during the campaign was the Hamon / PS death plunge. Which was very real. If you think Fillon is crooked you really have not been following the many many scandals over the years. L'affaire Penelope rates about 2 on the scandal scale. You must have missed the Chirac / Total FINA / Saddam / Iraq scandal which has been the only solid 9 in the last few decades. Much better than the misuse of funds scandal while Mayor of Paris. Which was a fairly lackluster 6. You have to go back to the Mitterrand era to find the really juicy scandals. The 10's.

Macron is a pure invention of the media. Lacking even the depth of support of Tony Blair. I see de Villepin has just come out in support of him. That speaks volumes.

If you want a good laugh suggest you read Melenchon's campaign platform. Pure unadulterated Chavizmo.

https://laec.fr/sommaire

A complete loon. Even makes the "official" Trot candidate sound reasonable in comparison.

Anyway, its going to a big bag of pop corn in front of TF 1 on Sunday night after the polls close. Its going to be an interesting night.


The initial Ministry of Interior numbers looks more realistic than the exit polls quoted by the media but it looks like France will have another Hollande for president, except much much worse. Looking at the very first small commune results from places I know and based on how they voted in 2007 and 2012 it looks like those who are terrified of the future, hate the present, and hate to change anything in the status quo, form the bedrock of Macrons support. It will be interesting to see if that pattern is repeated when the large commune results start coming in.

France is fucked. Completely and totally fucked. Fillon promised real reform. LePen at least would upended the status quo. Given who is behind Macron with Schultz in Germany it would mean the EU administrative state will have subverted representational democracy in three of the four biggest members states. And have an effective veto over who governs four others. Because economically speaking, Ireland is little more than an EU protectorate by this stage. Which is why, unlike in the 1980's, it really does not matter who governs the country as they are little more than a gloried urban district council given the amount of real sovereign power they have.

Given the street riots the CGT (the ultra communist union) organized last year I expect the civil violence to get a lot worse. And given that Macron is going to continue Hollandes ignore the problem regarding the salafis this may end up with some OAS style backlash.

This will not end well.


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jmc wrote:
jmc wrote:
werpen wrote:
jmc wrote:

You expect insightful journalism from the IT? That was your first mistake.

Marine LePen - traditional nationalist conservative Gaullist of La France profonde with a plurality of the working class vote. The PS, not the FN, is now the "racialist" party in France. You should hear them as they try to explain away maghrebian/musulman anti-semitic / non-magreb attacks. Which are endemic in ZUS's.

Melenchon is a pure communist and his election platform is straight out of the Chavez/Morales school of South American marxist dictatorship. A complete fucking loon whose opinions make Corbyn sound sane and pragmatic. But he sounds good on the telly..

Fillon is the only real pragmatic reformer in the race. The "scandal" it turns out was a hit piece from Hollandes office. No one in France really takes these stories seriously. No one in French politics is "clean" so when stories like this are made public one always assumes its a play by one of the opposition. At first I thought Juppe's people might be behind it. But a story planted in Le Canard was a strange way to go about it. There was a big push by Juppes lot to give Fillon the heave ho when the story first broke. But that move was checkmated by Sarkozy so Fillion survived the onslaught and still has a sporting chance of making it to round two.

Macron is a pure media play sock puppet candidate. A nothing. A light weight Justin Trudeau. The candidate of the establishment, the enarque, the UE administrative state status quo. Much like Schulz in Germany. Macron has serious money behind him, from people such as Bouygues and his friends. But despite the media spin there seems to be little enthusiasm for Macron in person from voters. So I expect him to under-perform the poll numbers on Sunday.

Given the current polls and the very high levels of undecideds and likely low turn out its still a toss up who will be the other candidate in the second round. But it still looks like Le Pen in pole position. And I suspect Fillion will just sneak through to the second round. But given the rather febrile state of France at the moment, who knows. Its going to be interesting watching the first results come in on Sunday night. If there is any kind of serious "fuck you", "fuck the establishment" vote Melenchon will do very well. Melenchon is kind of like the French Trump candidate. Except Melenchon actually does come for a political tradition that when given the chance uses the organs of the state to murder and oppress millions and suppress political dissent. Unlike Trump. Who is just an populist opportunist. So think of Melenchon as little more than a non-mestizo Hugo Chavez. But with a far better command of his native language.


Fillon is so crooked even the French could see it. To say these dont make a difference is not borne out by his campaign. He has sunk like a stone following the revelations

The only way i can see Le Pen winning is a run off with Fillon or Melenchon
LePen - Marcon, easy win for Marcon providing he panders to the right regarding immigration

Macron if he gets through should win easy enough.

Fillon - Melenchon again i would say its close


Fillons numbers changed little. Any dip (pretty shallow) was due mainly to undecided changing their position. The only real dip in support during the campaign was the Hamon / PS death plunge. Which was very real. If you think Fillon is crooked you really have not been following the many many scandals over the years. L'affaire Penelope rates about 2 on the scandal scale. You must have missed the Chirac / Total FINA / Saddam / Iraq scandal which has been the only solid 9 in the last few decades. Much better than the misuse of funds scandal while Mayor of Paris. Which was a fairly lackluster 6. You have to go back to the Mitterrand era to find the really juicy scandals. The 10's.

Macron is a pure invention of the media. Lacking even the depth of support of Tony Blair. I see de Villepin has just come out in support of him. That speaks volumes.

If you want a good laugh suggest you read Melenchon's campaign platform. Pure unadulterated Chavizmo.

https://laec.fr/sommaire

A complete loon. Even makes the "official" Trot candidate sound reasonable in comparison.

Anyway, its going to a big bag of pop corn in front of TF 1 on Sunday night after the polls close. Its going to be an interesting night.


The initial Ministry of Interior numbers looks more realistic than the exit polls quoted by the media but it looks like France will have another Hollande for president, except much much worse. Looking at the very first small commune results from places I know and based on how they voted in 2007 and 2012 it looks like those who are terrified of the future, hate the present, and hate to change anything in the status quo, form the bedrock of Macrons support. It will be interesting to see if that pattern is repeated when the large commune results start coming in.

France is fucked. Completely and totally fucked. Fillon promised real reform. LePen at least would upended the status quo. Given who is behind Macron with Schultz in Germany it would mean the EU administrative state will have subverted representational democracy in three of the four biggest members states. And have an effective veto over who governs four others. Because economically speaking, Ireland is little more than an EU protectorate by this stage. Which is why, unlike in the 1980's, it really does not matter who governs the country as they are little more than a gloried urban district council given the amount of real sovereign power they have.

Given the street riots the CGT (the ultra communist union) organized last year I expect the civil violence to get a lot worse. And given that Macron is going to continue Hollandes ignore the problem regarding the salafis this may end up with some OAS style backlash.

This will not end well.


Sounds alarming... But then again your predictions on the balloting weren't too hot!


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Isn't Emmanuel Macron the French Enda Kenny?

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temene wrote:
Isn't Emmanuel Macron the French Enda Kenny?

A French friend of mine said that Macron was to French politics what Daniel ODonnell is to music - but that he would win, I suppose its the same way as it is with music - wee Daniel outsells everyone. The French left threw this away - all they had to do was squeeze someone through - they have nearly 30% of the vote - and as is the case with Macron everyone would have to vote for their candidate to keep Le Pen out. I'm really surprised Fillon did so well - he'd be more like Enda Kenny in my book - an insubstantial idiot who happily supports crooks.


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 Post subject: Re: Vive La France...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:36 pm 
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Macron, former Rothschild banker, who was practically unheard of 2 years ago is about to become the presdent of France without a party behind him.
It's a wet dream for conspiracy theorists


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