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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:14 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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A horrific quarter from Tesla, a $620M record loss. At the rate they are burning cash ($1.4B in this quarter alone), they are going to need to raise more cash at very least within 3 months.


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A horrific quarter from Tesla, a $620M record loss. At the rate they are burning cash ($1.4B in this quarter alone), they are going to need to raise more cash at very least within 3 months.


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HouseBuyer wrote:
A horrific quarter from Tesla, a $620M record loss. At the rate they are burning cash ($1.4B in this quarter alone), they are going to need to raise more cash at very least within 3 months.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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Tesla also fired a gansey load of workers this week. How quickly can you train a couple of hundred newbies to work on a car plant production line.

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HouseBuyer wrote:
A horrific quarter from Tesla, a $620M record loss. At the rate they are burning cash ($1.4B in this quarter alone), they are going to need to raise more cash at very least within 3 months.


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It would be cheaper to buy him a set of jump leads he can connect to his power wall

I’m a long term investor :D

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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A horrific quarter from Tesla, a $620M record loss. At the rate they are burning cash ($1.4B in this quarter alone), they are going to need to raise more cash at very least within 3 months.



Haven't Telsa received a few billion of taxpayer subsidies?

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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Tesla hits bumps in pursuit of mass market https://www.ft.com/content/b305aa0a-c01 ... 5f8adaa111 via @FT

detailed reports on the clusterfuck manufacturing process

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However, the situation that Tesla described is also replicated at its main Fremont assembly plant in California, according to several people who have witnessed the production process.

Newly-installed Kuka robots designed to speed up production are still being operated by hand, according to two people who visited the site in recent weeks.

“I have never seen so much manual labour on a line,” says one person, who has inspected car plants all over the world.

“It was swarming with people. When I go to a plant and it’s automated I expect to see a lot fewer people.”

At Nissan’s Sunderland plant in the UK, which is regarded as one of the most efficient facilities anywhere in the world, the company estimates that just six minutes of downtime on the line pushes the operations into a loss.

One person who visited the Tesla site noted the line was frequently halted for quality inspections.

“It was not efficient,” says the person.


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Tesla is no stranger to taking unusual approaches to save time.

In multiple instances, the company shipped cars from the factory that lacked key parts such as computer modules, digital displays, or even seats.

These parts were flown to Tesla-owned dealers, who then assembled them into the vehicle before completing the shipments to customers, according to several people familiar with the practice.

“This goes back years,” says a former regional executive, who declined to be named.

“It was common, common in every market — the seats, the displays were being flown in.”

The practice, while unorthodox, does not breach disclosure rules as Tesla does not book deliveries until the customer takes ownership of the car, the person stressed.

However, it does raise questions over whether the vehicles were adequately checked and calibrated before being delivered to users.

It also highlights the extreme measures Tesla will take to ensure that it meets delivery targets — practices that may work while it makes tens of thousands of cars a year, but that would be totally unsustainable at higher volumes.


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Another area of potential weakness in the Model 3 process is Tesla’s relationships with its suppliers, according to at least four people.

Tesla insists there are no problems with its supply chain.

But in at least one instance, a supplier was told to manufacture a crucial part more quickly than was standard, only to have the design changed after the business had begun installing tooling, according to two people involved the supply chain.

“They [Tesla] showed complete befuddlement,” says one person who was involved in the process.

“Tesla kept saying ‘you need to make it faster’,” the person added. “But any time you make changes [to the design], you go back to the start of the process.”


this is hardware design 101 -( software people designing hardware?) - same reason the Amazon Phone was a disaster - Bezos was sitting in his boathouse coming up with ideas halfway through the program


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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A horrific quarter from Tesla, a $620M record loss. At the rate they are burning cash ($1.4B in this quarter alone), they are going to need to raise more cash at very least within 3 months.

Has Tesla ever had a good quarter?

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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The humble Mitsubishi Mirage has none of the hallmarks of a futuristic, environmentally friendly car. It is fuelled by petrol, runs on an internal combustion engine and spews exhaust emissions through a tailpipe.

But when the Mirage is assessed for carbon emissions throughout its entire lifecycle — from procuring the components and fuel, to recycling its parts — it can actually be a greener car than a model by Tesla, the US electric vehicle pioneer.

According to data from the Trancik Lab at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, a Tesla Model S P100D saloon driven in the US midwest produces 226 grammes of carbon dioxide (or equivalent) per kilometre over its lifecycle — a significant reduction to the 385g for a luxury 7-series BMW. But the Mirage emits even less, at just 192g.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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A 5 series is more comparable to a Tesla Model S? A Mirage though? Apples and oranges.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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A 5 series is more comparable to a Tesla Model S? A Mirage though? Apples and oranges.

agreed but which one will pay more motor tax? (/VRT?)

EV incentives are too broad


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:03 pm 
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Maybe we're both wrong.

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Bob Lutz: Kiss the good times goodbye
'Everyone will have 5 years to get their car off the road or sell it for scrap'
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It saddens me to say it, but we are approaching the end of the automotive era.

The auto industry is on an accelerating change curve. For hundreds of years, the horse was the prime mover of humans and for the past 120 years it has been the automobile.

Now we are approaching the end of the line for the automobile because travel will be in standardized modules.

The end state will be the fully autonomous module with no capability for the driver to exercise command. You will call for it, it will arrive at your location, you'll get in, input your destination and go to the freeway.

On the freeway, it will merge seamlessly into a stream of other modules traveling at 120, 150 mph. The speed doesn't matter. You have a blending of rail-type with individual transportation.

Bob Lutz is a former vice chairman and head of product development at General Motors. He also held senior executive positions with Ford, Chrysler, BMW and Opel.

Then, as you approach your exit, your module will enter deceleration lanes, exit and go to your final destination. You will be billed for the transportation. You will enter your credit card number or your thumbprint or whatever it will be then. The module will take off and go to its collection point, ready for the next person to call.

Most of these standardized modules will be purchased and owned by the Ubers and Lyfts and God knows what other companies that will enter the transportation business in the future.

A minority of individuals may elect to have personalized modules sitting at home so they can leave their vacation stuff and the kids' soccer gear in them. They'll still want that convenience.

The vehicles, however, will no longer be driven by humans because in 15 to 20 years — at the latest — human-driven vehicles will be legislated off the highways.

The tipping point will come when 20 to 30 percent of vehicles are fully autonomous. Countries will look at the accident statistics and figure out that human drivers are causing 99.9 percent of the accidents.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017110 ... es-goodbye


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Not a regular reader of this thread but recently... globalist targets set by multiple governments within days of each other to kill the combustion engine, a thought occurred to me based on these two factors (Computing power & Globalist ideals)

By the time electric cars are ubiquitous by whatever means you will not be allowed drive freely or at least in high density urban and suburban areas potentially anywhere in the world.

...The idea of driving freely may be considered so entirely anti-social (Think smoking ban) that you will have no choice. Such as the recent form of social programming by way of the smoking ban was ushered in, by as close to perfect political synchronisation as is currently possible across the developed world the same may apply to future driving...

...Enjoy this golden era of Sunday Drivers, high insurance premiums and multi car pile-ups, you may be the last of the free-drivers allowed take your and everyone you pass life into your hands and the way things are going possibly the last of the free-thinkers.

Driving as a service is not a new idea but in the end there may only be one choice allowed, autonomous-driving-as-a-service, Adaas.

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What will the movie industry do for high-speed car chase thrills when the cops just have to press a button and have the baddie's car drive him sedately to the nearest police station?

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What will the movie industry do for high-speed car chase thrills when the cops just have to press a button and have the baddie's car drive him sedately to the nearest police station?

Hackers.


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