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 Post subject: 'Iconic' blue British passport to return after Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:38 am 
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'Iconic' blue British passport to return after Brexit

Something for the Brexiteers to cheer about.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42443253
British passports will change from burgundy to blue after Britain leaves the EU, the Home Office has said.

Immigration Minister Brandon Lewis said he was delighted to return to the "iconic" blue and gold design which came into use almost 100 years ago.

The new passports will be made available to those renewing or applying for a passport from October 2019.

Burgundy passports have been used for almost 30 years after the UK joined the EU and adopted the style.

Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage responded to the announcement by tweeting "Happy Brexmas!"

He added: "In the 2016 referendum, we wanted our passports back. Now we've got them back!"

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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The new croatian EU passport is dark blue, so even as a totemic gesture the Brexit passport was pointless.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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The new croatian EU passport is dark blue, so even as a totemic gesture the Brexit passport was pointless.

It's just reverting to its pre-EU colours, Next it will be the number plates :x

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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The new croatian EU passport is dark blue, so even as a totemic gesture the Brexit passport was pointless.

It's just reverting to its pre-EU colours, Next it will be the number plates :x

And more...
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It's hard not to feel that the UK is heading towards a Butlins parody whilst the babyboomers control the ballot box.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:39 pm 
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Some of those old codgers would even vote for the return of the old British road signs, the ones that were replaced by European style ones in the 1960s.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:12 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
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As an aside, it's interesting that with the UK we import as much cheese as we export. I assumed the balance of trade was much more in our favour and the figures suggest that per capita we consume 10 times as much UK cheese as they consume Irish cheese? Or is this part of some export credit taxation trick that distorts the figures?

By the power of Google...

Global cheese consumption (Kg per capita)
http://www.dairyinfo.gc.ca/index_e.php? ... o&s4=tc-ft

...the answer is that we consume approximately as much per head as the Brits do, which is exactly what you'd expect given the cultural similarities. Although the numbers seem really jumpy YoR.

China is at 0.1kg per capita. Still, that's still 140 million tonnes of the stuff.

Anyway, the obvious answer is that we import to export. Presumably the Cheese IP is held in Ireland. Dutch sandwich, or would that require Edam?

I see what you did there :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Interesting to see how much widespread support the smoking ban has.
Doesn't take long for people to get used to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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More of the recent trend of opinion pieces where "British sources" "express dismay" to their Irish contacts which then get into the paper. Part of a wish to return to Fine Gael normal service re the UK (ie Cosgrave). I think it's to try to get the conversation going within the FG base that Leo and Coveney are going "too far" and "causing instability". But the problem is that the base love Leo and Simon.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/vara ... -1.3336810

Andy Pollak sees Varadkar and Coveney as 'wrapping themselves in the green flag.' You'd have to think that the Centre for Cross Border Studies didn't actually reach out to Nationalists in the North much eh ?

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However, maybe somebody should puncture the self-congratulatory mood a little by pointing out that there is a downside to this diplomatic coup. Relations between the Irish government and the DUP, which took long and agonising years to build in the early 2000s, have broken down.


Of course Andy neglects to mention was Arlene Foster who, very publicly and in a "megaphone way" who slapped down Enda Kennys idea of an all Ireland forum on Brexit.

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For his part Coveney dropped one particularly awful clanger. How did such a normally skilled and highly-intelligent politician make the huge unforced error of telling an Oireachtas committee last month that he would “like to see a united Ireland in my lifetime. If possible, within my political lifetime”?

If there was one thing guaranteed to terrify every unionist, it was for the Irish deputy prime minister to be announcing in the middle of highly-sensitive negotiations about the border, that he wanted to see Irish unity within 20-25 years


The "clanger" is that someone who specialises in "cross border studies" thinks that nationalism cannot be expressed. It's part of the Stephen Donnelly mindset that we must act with DUP wingnut perceptions at the forefront. I mean, is it permitted to express the hope that NI will still be in the union in 25 years ? Is that the only thing that's OK to him.


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/irel ... 9?mode=amp
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Speaking to my former colleagues and UK government advisers last week, they acknowledged that tensions were high and some expressed frustrations about the megaphone diplomacy of the Taoiseach during negotiations. But now that the dust has settled, there is an acceptance that this was Ireland’s chance to throw its weight around and it played the part it had to. All sides got what they wanted in the end, and despite some hyperbolic reports from the English press, only the more nationalistic fringes of the Conservative Party feel any serious damage has been done to Anglo-Irish relations in the long term.


"Megaphone diplomacy" was frustrating because it is not part of the script that UK establishment expects.

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However, among those at the top, there is a clear expectation that, moving into the second phase of talks, Ireland’s tone will shift to see it become Britain’s best champion at the EU table in recognition of the interdependence of the two economies and the desire for frictionless trade


It's worrying that "those at the top" don't get it. Leo has weighed it up already - he's said he's on the side of the 27.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:56 pm 
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When the trade talks begin, how on earth are we going to maintain unity among the 27 states and their respective competing national interests?

Could we end up with a dog eat dog scenario as member countries will do anything to protect their trade policies?

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:44 pm 
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However, among those at the top, there is a clear expectation that, moving into the second phase of talks, Ireland’s tone will shift to see it become Britain’s best champion at the EU table in recognition of the interdependence of the two economies and the desire for frictionless trade


It's worrying that "those at the top" don't get it. Leo has weighed it up already - he's said he's on the side of the 27.

The talk of the interdependence of the two economies and frictionless trade seems to be coming only from the British side? Or am I missing out on the calls in Ireland for it (other than maybe the farmers?). Is this a sign of confidence in Ireland? Or head-in-the-sand?

I don't see anything other than Ireland sticking with the 27 as the long-term benefits of the EU outweigh the declining UK. I'm not sure how it's possible to advocate for a country that has no idea what it wants other than have-cake-and-eat-it. Anyway, I think the 27 already know what they want, free trade in goods, but not services. Open borders, but the UK not in the EU fast lane, so free movement of people, but not automatic rights to reside/work. And I think the UK will have no choice but to accept it, as it'll be all that's on offer.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:44 am 
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This is, astonishingly, not satire.

'Dad's Army' volunteers to help Border Force patrol Britain's coastline against people smugglers and crime gangs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12 ... coastline/

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:42 pm 
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This is, astonishingly, not satire.

'Dad's Army' volunteers to help Border Force patrol Britain's coastline against people smugglers and crime gangs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12 ... coastline/

Someone is clearly taking the piss, Even the Torygraph isn't taking it seriously.
But there has always been a culture of encouraging citizens to inform the authorities of any wrongdoing in the UK, but to set up a special group for border watching is simply daft. The average resident in those coastal areas would very quickly call the police if they saw anything "odd" going on.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Mossy_Heneberry wrote:
When the trade talks begin, how on earth are we going to maintain unity among the 27 states and their respective competing national interests?

Could we end up with a dog eat dog scenario as member countries will do anything to protect their trade policies?


So as I suspected, Brexit will be a dog's dinner all round?
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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:39 am 
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A close reading of David Davis’ delusional Telegraph piece on Brexit

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/m ... ece-brexit

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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I thought it was very interesting that the UVF letter to Haughey was released under the 30-year rule when the Brexit negotiations are ongoing. Apart from spelling out the collusion between Loyalists and the British security forces and the plot to assassinate Charles Haughey, it also spells out the type of actions that they were plotting in order to undermine the Irish economy, particularly the agriculture base.

I presume it was released (and not 'mislaid'/shredded) for the simple reason that the Irish Government are well aware of the threat the country faces as Britain goes down the Brexit road. It would solve a lot of problems for the British if Ireland also exited the EU.

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