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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:31 pm 
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What I fail to understand is how anyone saying that the EU respecting the UKs decision to become just another non-EU country is punishment.


They want to be treated as a bigger version of Switzerland but with added rights given their size and level of self regard. Is that so impossible for the EU to allow come about ? If so Why ?

The brits are currently ruling out the Swiss option because of freedom of movement, the recent abandonment of the Swiss ref restricting immigration was in direct response to reciprocal threats by the EU.

Greece was free to Grexit too.

From an EU perspective Brexit is already over as we move on without the UK.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:45 pm 
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GameBlame wrote:
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What I fail to understand is how anyone saying that the EU respecting the UKs decision to become just another non-EU country is punishment.


They want to be treated as a bigger version of Switzerland but with added rights given their size and level of self regard. Is that so impossible for the EU to allow come about ? If so Why ?


Has the EU ruled that out? AFAIK, the EU has said nothing about the future trading relationship with the UK - mainly because that whole area is meant to follow up from the current discussions (citizens rights, borders, money owed).

Its entirely possible that the EU would work towards an agreement where the UK is a bigger Switzerland etc etc. if that's what the UK wants.

The Tories just need to pull the finger out and get on with the current round of talks. Then they can talk free trade to their hearts content.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:24 pm 
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... that whole area is meant to follow up from the current discussions (citizens rights, borders, money owed)...
The Tories just need to pull the finger out and get on with the current round of talks. Then they can talk free trade to their hearts content.

Exactly. The Tories would appear terminally dim except we all know the real problem is their internal bickering about the money issue. Otherwise it's quite simple.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:08 pm 
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Dohvis did it again

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Brexit chief David Davis made reference to Holland and Czechoslovakia as EU countries as he boasted of his team’s European knowledge.

It happened as Davis, who is leading the UK’s exit from Brussels, was speaking to MPs in London about the progress of negotiations.



http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/25/brex ... telligence

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:21 am 
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DAvis proving his shear incompetence
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-vote
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David Davis hits rock bottom and then keeps falling over Brexit vote



This article give him too much credit

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LONDON — David Davis has "mentally checked out" and "doesn't care" about Brexit, a Tory minister has said after he was forced to u-turn on saying MPs might not vote on an exit deal until after the UK leaves the European Union.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/tory-mini ... it-2017-10
he doesnt know what hes at

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:02 pm 
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Any reputable links to the rumours that Theresa May broke down at a recent meeting, blubbering and begging the EU to help her?

Probably just a cunning negotiating tactic. 'Strong and stable'.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:58 pm 
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That story was leaked to, and published in, a German newspaper. Nick Tiomothy immediately accused Juncker's chief of staff Martin Selmayr of leaking it.

Both Salmayr and Juncker denied doing so. They pointed out that it is not in their interests to further weaken May.

So who would benefit from a story like that being leaked, or fabricated?


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:33 pm 
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That story was leaked to, and published in, a German newspaper. Nick Tiomothy immediately accused Juncker's chief of staff Martin Selmayr of leaking it.

Both Salmayr and Juncker denied doing so. They pointed out that it is not in their interests to further weaken May.

So who would benefit from a story like that being leaked, or fabricated?
Thanks. I'd imagine it was leaked because certain elements in the EU are delighted to see the Brits in such a pathetic state. They might also recognise that Theresa May doesn't have the support of her party so better to get her off the stage now rather than later. If that collapses the UK government and delivers a Labour majority they would be glad to be rid of the hardline Brexiteers.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:09 am 
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That story was leaked to, and published in, a German newspaper. Nick Tiomothy immediately accused Juncker's chief of staff Martin Selmayr of leaking it.

Both Salmayr and Juncker denied doing so. They pointed out that it is not in their interests to further weaken May.

So who would benefit from a story like that being leaked, or fabricated?
Thanks. I'd imagine it was leaked because certain elements in the EU are delighted to see the Brits in such a pathetic state. They might also recognise that Theresa May doesn't have the support of her party so better to get her off the stage now rather than later. If that collapses the UK government and delivers a Labour majority they would be glad to be rid of the hardline Brexiteers.


I take the opposite view.
I don't know if the 27 would prefer May or Corbyn but they do know that if May goes, there is almost 0% chance of a new election. May doesn't have to call one, the Tory party won't want one - and the only external factor is the DUP who won't want to have a new election.
The EU commission has signalled several times they would prefer to deal with May than with anyone else - which really means Boris.
To be frank though, May needs to go. Boris needs to step up and own the clusterfuck he created.

I noted the Guardian gave more more coverage on the supposed leaking of this, and the Telegraph seemed to concentrate on what was supposed said. Even if the story is true, it seemed obvious to me that the Telegraph took some morbid glee in this. The Torygraph really has a hard on for Boris.

Corbyn and Labour are a side show in all this. The Tories alone have to figure this out.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:19 am 
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I noted the Guardian gave more more coverage on the supposed leaking of this, and the Telegraph seemed to concentrate on what was supposed said. Even if the story is true, it seemed obvious to me that the Telegraph took some morbid glee in this. The Torygraph really has a hard on for Boris.

And this is what makes me think it's a creation of the UK side, probably daggers Gove...

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:34 pm 
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Interest rate hike to .5% supposedly in response to inflation, which is mostly driven by import inflation while domestic inputs have been pretty much stagnant.

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 Post subject: 'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:03 pm 
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In the year after the UK narrowly voted to exit the European Union, there was a small but significant increase in the population's feeling of wellbeing, official statistics show.

The improvements in areas such as life satisfaction and happiness were seen only in England, however. Elsewhere, the rates flatlined.

People in Northern Ireland continued to report the highest levels of wellbeing.

Rates of anxiety increased slightly, but not significantly.


Strange to make this connection, when you consider the fact that the country has only recently recovered from the worst recession in living memory.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:38 pm 
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https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1109/91886 ... er-brexit/

On Wednesday the European Commission distributes a working paper calling for the North to stay in the Customs Union and the Single market, i.e the effective border now at the Irish Sea:

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The working paper, seen by RTÉ News, says that in order to avoid a hard border it is essential that there be no divergence of rules on either side of the Irish border.

That scenario would effectively require Northern Ireland to remain in the single market and the customs union.

The working paper is described as an internal document from the EU's Brexit Task Force led by Michel Barnier.

It was circulated to the 27 member states on Wednesday night and presented to British negotiators in Brussels yesterday.



https://www.ft.com/content/1e7126d6-c61 ... 2b2cb39656
Davis quick off the mark with his NO:
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"The Government will not accept any solution to the border issue that threatens Britain's constitutional and economic integrity."


So what does Leo do now? Accept the British imposition of a hard border or tell Barnier that Ireland is going to use its veto?


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:23 pm 
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So what does Leo do now? Accept the British imposition of a hard border or tell Barnier that Ireland is going to use its veto?

isn't the only veto on extending A50 for further talks? Otherwise the final deal needs only a qualified majority in the EU parliament.

The EU has set it down as a red line so ultimately the UK have to accept the Irish Sea customs border if they want any kind of settlement.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:55 pm 
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tulipman wrote:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1109/918860-northern-irish-border-after-brexit/

On Wednesday the European Commission distributes a working paper calling for the North to stay in the Customs Union and the Single market, i.e the effective border now at the Irish Sea:

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The working paper, seen by RTÉ News, says that in order to avoid a hard border it is essential that there be no divergence of rules on either side of the Irish border.

That scenario would effectively require Northern Ireland to remain in the single market and the customs union.

The working paper is described as an internal document from the EU's Brexit Task Force led by Michel Barnier.

It was circulated to the 27 member states on Wednesday night and presented to British negotiators in Brussels yesterday.



https://www.ft.com/content/1e7126d6-c61 ... 2b2cb39656
Davis quick off the mark with his NO:
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"The Government will not accept any solution to the border issue that threatens Britain's constitutional and economic integrity."


So what does Leo do now? Accept the British imposition of a hard border or tell Barnier that Ireland is going to use its veto?

Its been obvious from day one there will be a hard border.
+the subsequent tariffs
Its time we fn wake up and start planning for it. Dublin port will be chocked based on todays papers.

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