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 Post subject: Re: 'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:31 pm 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/health-41893598
In the year after the UK narrowly voted to exit the European Union, there was a small but significant increase in the population's feeling of wellbeing, official statistics show.

The improvements in areas such as life satisfaction and happiness were seen only in England, however. Elsewhere, the rates flatlined.

People in Northern Ireland continued to report the highest levels of wellbeing.

Rates of anxiety increased slightly, but not significantly.


Strange to make this connection, when you consider the fact that the country has only recently recovered from the worst recession in living memory.


As I said on the original Brexit thread. The end result will be the UK 5% poorer and 10% happier. A feeling of lack of control is one of the predictors of depression. Being able to control migration etc will lead to slight increase in satisfaction


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 Post subject: Re: 'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'
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As I said on the original Brexit thread. The end result will be the UK 5% poorer and 10% happier. A feeling of lack of control is one of the predictors of depression. Being able to control migration etc will lead to slight increase in satisfaction

And yet it's the non-EU emigration that's got people freaked out around where I am in the UK and Brexit isn't changing that.

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 Post subject: Re: 'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'
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catbear wrote:
GameBlame wrote:

As I said on the original Brexit thread. The end result will be the UK 5% poorer and 10% happier. A feeling of lack of control is one of the predictors of depression. Being able to control migration etc will lead to slight increase in satisfaction

And yet it's the non-EU emigration that's got people freaked out around where I am in the UK and Brexit isn't changing that.


Yes and No. There must be a growing relief about no longer being subject to the consequences of Merkel's whims. And then her subsequent redistribution of migrants.


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 Post subject: Re: 'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'
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GameBlame wrote:
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GameBlame wrote:

As I said on the original Brexit thread. The end result will be the UK 5% poorer and 10% happier. A feeling of lack of control is one of the predictors of depression. Being able to control migration etc will lead to slight increase in satisfaction

And yet it's the non-EU emigration that's got people freaked out around where I am in the UK and Brexit isn't changing that.


Yes and No. There must be a growing relief about no longer being subject to the consequences of Merkel's whims. And then her subsequent redistribution of migrants.

It's nonsense, though. Once again the British public operating in a fact-free zone:
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statis ... ntry-birth

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 Post subject: Re: 'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'
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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... ad-brexit/

Very interesting stuff from Tony Connolly.

I actually think we might be lucky that the North's institutions are not up and running. And also that we're so far away from the marching season.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Very intetesting to follow this development.
There are two scenarios that present themselves to me.

1. The Hong kong solution. Two jurisdictions in the UK. NI keeps euro regulations and becomes a sort of bridge to europe from uk.
Border down the irish sea.favoured by the republic.

2. A hard border in ireland. A natural result of uk stance of pulling out of customs union.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Hypothetical question.

If there is a "Hard brexit" with no agreements in place.

Who would impose the "hard border" and why?

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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dolanbaker wrote:
Hypothetical question.

If there is a "Hard brexit" with no agreements in place.

Who would impose the "hard border" and why?

In a hard brexit situation we won't know who the UK let's in, the CTA is not a binding agreement with any governing accountable framework. The UK could up non-EU migration to cover essential gaps in food production and healthcare. I think I read that nearly all the vets monitoring the meat and dairy industry are EU immigrants for instance; UK vets preferring the fluffy and horsy end of the business. We'll need to guard our agri exports against standards being dropped in the UK and northern Ireland.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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catbear wrote:
dolanbaker wrote:
Hypothetical question.

If there is a "Hard brexit" with no agreements in place.

Who would impose the "hard border" and why?

In a hard brexit situation we won't know who the UK let's in, the CTA is not a binding agreement with any governing accountable framework. The UK could up non-EU migration to cover essential gaps in food production and healthcare. I think I read that nearly all the vets monitoring the meat and dairy industry are EU immigrants for instance; UK vets preferring the fluffy and horsy end of the business. We'll need to guard our agri exports against standards being dropped in the UK and northern Ireland.

That doesn't really answer the question as to who will impose the border and why, I don't see the UK dropping standards in the agri industry as they will still want to maintain their export markets.

Everyone talks about the fact that we must avoid a situation where a hard border is required, but no one is talking about who will impose it or why!

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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The British are probably figuring they will trundle along now towards a Norway/Sweden type border.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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I thought it was implicit in my reply that we'd need to control our border against substandard produce and an undefined immigration regime from a renegade regulations busting UK.

Until the UK actually rule something in they are essentially heading towards the same relationship with us as Mauritania which relies entirely on WTO rules.

All the warnings have been stated since before the vote but now halfway between the vote and march 29 2019 no one knows or dares define the parameters of what brexit means.

It is not hyperbole to say that the UK is out of control.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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catbear wrote:
I thought it was implicit in my reply that we'd need to control our border against substandard produce and an undefined immigration regime from a renegade regulations busting UK.

Until the UK actually rule something in they are essentially heading towards the same relationship with us as Mauritania which relies entirely on WTO rules.

All the warnings have been stated since before the vote but now halfway between the vote and march 29 2019 no one knows or dares define the parameters of what brexit means.

It is not hyperbole to say that the UK is out of control.

So, it would be the EU (republic of Ireland) that will be imposing the hard border, I can see that going down well with many in the border regions.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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dolanbaker wrote:
catbear wrote:
dolanbaker wrote:
Hypothetical question.

If there is a "Hard brexit" with no agreements in place.

Who would impose the "hard border" and why?

In a hard brexit situation we won't know who the UK let's in, the CTA is not a binding agreement with any governing accountable framework. The UK could up non-EU migration to cover essential gaps in food production and healthcare. I think I read that nearly all the vets monitoring the meat and dairy industry are EU immigrants for instance; UK vets preferring the fluffy and horsy end of the business. We'll need to guard our agri exports against standards being dropped in the UK and northern Ireland.

That doesn't really answer the question as to who will impose the border and why, I don't see the UK dropping standards in the agri industry as they will still want to maintain their export markets.

Everyone talks about the fact that we must avoid a situation where a hard border is required, but no one is talking about who will impose it or why!



AFAIK, the UK are quite happy to leave the border the way it is. I think it's the EU that want to impose a hard one.

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