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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:02 pm 
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SO WHY DID THEY BUILD ON FLOOD PLAINS IN THE FIRST PLACE?


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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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SO WHY DID THEY BUILD ON FLOOD PLAINS IN THE FIRST PLACE?


Greed [snip]

You forgot the "&stupidity" bit!

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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Have you considered that a chunk of the people who don't vote might not be disenfranchised?
They might be content.

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Considered.

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It's a nation of full on insane self flagellating masochists after all.

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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superpiper wrote:
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SO WHY DID THEY BUILD ON FLOOD PLAINS IN THE FIRST PLACE?


Greed,

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:05 pm 
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During summer 2008 there was flooding in the wexford/wicklow area on all the roads near the N11. I've been holidaying down that way since toddlerhood and I can't recall such bad flooding previously. I remember the summer of 1985 was a mudbath, but roads were passible. So it got me wondering......Do they literally stick a load of hardcore and asphalt down through all the fields for these new fangled roads without any regard for the damage the rainwater run-off might cause? All around Ballymoney and Gorey there were flooded backroads in and around where they crossed the new N11. Any civil engineers care to comment?

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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If you build it, it will flood.

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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Duplex wrote:
OPW's map of flood reports dating back several years.

http://www.floodmaps.ie/

This should make for some interesting reading in the coming months, once it gets updated. I wonder will we see any significant new additions/ price movements on daft in the coming weeks and months as people try to offload, damaged and/or flood area houses?


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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:36 pm 
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Open to correction here.

Most people buying a home will need to get a mortgage.

This will require buildings insurance. Is it likely that buildings insurance will become harder to obtain in areas that have been proven to be liable to flooding ? Or am I wrong ?

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NAMA Insurance Corporation.

It could happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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Q. Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?

A. Because The Government, Developers, Local Councillors, Planners, Engineers, Architects and Builders and made loads of money out of it.

This intellectual dynamic is what financial capitalism is all about.

A few Irish bungalows in a foot or so of water are small beer.

The environmental consequences of it are of course ten times worse here in the developing world.

Here we see catastrophic situations unfolding on a huge scale, deforestation, uncontrolled open mining, loss of arable land, devastating floods, displacement and starvation as local and multinational corporations pile in and every two bit local official goes after a quick buck.

Its all about 'purchase power'.

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:57 am 
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jonascollins wrote:
Q. Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?

A. Because The Government, Developers, Local Councillors, Planners, Engineers, Architects and Builders and made loads of money out of it.

I'm not too sure the Planner, engineer, architect or Builder made money out of it - other than in a "another job" sense - in which case you might as well as "the building supplies guy, the carpenter, the electrician, the person who bought the house to let it out etc."


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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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superman wrote:
jonascollins wrote:
Q. Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?

A. Because The Government, Developers, Local Councillors, Planners, Engineers, Architects and Builders and made loads of money out of it.

I'm not too sure the Planner, engineer, architect or Builder made money out of it - other than in a "another job" sense - in which case you might as well as "the building supplies guy, the carpenter, the electrician, the person who bought the house to let it out etc."


Correct. You cannot blame the plumber who fitted the taps.

But you can blame the engineering firms. Their job was to advise on the engineering needs of the site - build expensive flood defenses or don't build at all. Direct blame there.

Why didn't they do put a stop to this?

Because they knew if they did, they would never work for that developer or that council again.

That's how the Irish work. Ball-less cowards who look away when they see wrong-doing. Read the Murphy report if you don't believe me.

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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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daltonr wrote:
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Only 1 in 8 of the electorate voted FF as a first preference.


And another chunk gave FF lower preferences, and yet another chunk voted PD and another chunk voted Green.
And together they put Fianna Fail back into government.

Those who voted PD knew what they were voting for.
Those who voted green could claim they were cheated, but they were given another chance to
pull the plug recently and didn't.

The bottom line is that enough people like the way FF do things enough to keep them in government.

Even now they're only what? 10% behind FG?

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I know but the scary thing is Cork council is controlled by Lab/FG for the past two terms, and that has hardly being a model example of good planning!
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 Post subject: Re: Why did they build on flood plains in the first place?
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Ireland_is_different wrote:
daltonr wrote:
The Unwelcome Guest wrote:
Only 1 in 8 of the electorate voted FF as a first preference.


And another chunk gave FF lower preferences, and yet another chunk voted PD and another chunk voted Green.
And together they put Fianna Fail back into government.

Those who voted PD knew what they were voting for.
Those who voted green could claim they were cheated, but they were given another chance to
pull the plug recently and didn't.

The bottom line is that enough people like the way FF do things enough to keep them in government.

Even now they're only what? 10% behind FG?

-Rd

I know but the scary thing is Cork council is controlled by Lab/FG for the past two terms, and that has hardly being a model example of good planning!
We're just shagged, get used to it XX



The only party local councillors belong to is the 'Me Fein' one.

Barring a few individuals they're a loathsome species.

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