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 Post subject: Re: Apollo House 'taken over' by Activists
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:28 pm 
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Long articlein the FT about homelessness in San Francisco, a much richer city than Dublin.

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-The city is teeming with homelessness, both rough sleeping and the precarious kind where families dip in and out of having a home
-Paradoxically, homeless people have come from all over the US, despite the astronomical cost of housing
-A huge city spend on homelessness achieves very little

This could be Dublin in due course


Except that (again) apparently the number of rough sleepers in Dublin has been constant for some time, and homeless numbers are below the per-capita equivalent in other European capitals. Assuming those stats are correct. So it seems unlikely that homeless are coming to Dublin from elsewhere in any significant numbers. It appears to be a home-grown problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Apollo House 'taken over' by Activists
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 Post subject: Re: Apollo House 'taken over' by Activists
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:35 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
Skippy 3 wrote:
Long articlein the FT about homelessness in San Francisco, a much richer city than Dublin.

Short version:
-The city is teeming with homelessness, both rough sleeping and the precarious kind where families dip in and out of having a home
-Paradoxically, homeless people have come from all over the US, despite the astronomical cost of housing
-A huge city spend on homelessness achieves very little

This could be Dublin in due course


Except that (again) apparently the number of rough sleepers in Dublin has been constant for some time, and homeless numbers are below the per-capita equivalent in other European capitals. Assuming those stats are correct. So it seems unlikely that homeless are coming to Dublin from elsewhere in any significant numbers. It appears to be a home-grown problem.


I think you'll find that the general belief is that the SF problem is a function of climate and a big city where you at least have a chance of work/begging/scavenging. It's favoured over LA because it's not as hot, the citizens of SF are more tolerant and there are more parks, seashore, green areas etc to bed down in.

Dublin is a home grown problem. At least part of it stems from the 'care in the community' view of mental health that governments seem to have had since the 80s, it's also a function of the levels of institutional (and familial) abuse. You don't have to scratch far under the surface to find familiar patterns that ultimately lead to drug and alcohol abuse and to a dysfunctional life that prevents people getting work. The system is unfortunately designed so that people have to scurry around trying to find beds every night so I suspect if you asked people who are housed in hostels on any particular night you might well find that most of them have spent more than a few nights outside.

Some remain on the street by choice but for most it's fear. Those that do get off the streets and into hostels generally live a life that is only barely above what living on the street offers them - they receive no treatment for the basic root problems (mental health, counselling for abuse) and very little for the symptoms (drug and alcohol abuse). On dole day the dealers are outside waiting for them - if you want to talk about the homeless industry - that's the real one. There may be little hope for the older homeless but the long term approach to reducing homelessness needs to start with those who are just coming on to the streets and to assessing why they are there and then actually to do something about the root cause.

Those who state that it is a small problem should perhaps ask the government why it is not eliminated.


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 Post subject: Re: Apollo House 'taken over' by Activists
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:50 pm 
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IMHO the government are the wrong people to ask. They basically give a load of money to private charities to try avoid responsibility. The “housing first” model, combined with appropriate HSE supports sounds like it should be able to make the situation as “least bad” as possible. I am not aware that homelessness has ever been eradicated but I’m sure we would do a lot better if the government put resources directly into housing and addiction and mental health services and cut out the middle men with their questionable governance. (And I include local authorities in that).

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 Post subject: Re: Apollo House 'taken over' by Activists
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Apollo House all boarded up for the renovators/demolitioners to move in.

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