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 Post subject: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:29 am 
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Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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Developer Liam Carroll looks set to benefit substantially from proposals to designate his 400-plus acres at Cherrywood in south Dublin as a Strategic Development Zone (SDZ).
Tomorrow Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Council will publish its draft development plan proposing the introduction of an SDZ which would formulate more precise information on permissible development in Cherrywood.
As this would provide a better indication of Cherrywood land uses and values, it would also help to eliminate speculative land purchases in the SDZ and it would, in turn, make it easier for Mr Carroll to sell some of his land should he wish to do so.
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Do we really need another SDZ?
What is the councils motivation to do this?

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Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
By Donal Buckley, Thursday April 23 2009
http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 16725.html

Developer Liam Carroll looks set to benefit substantially from proposals to designate his 400-plus acres at Cherrywood in south Dublin as a Strategic Development Zone (SDZ).
Tomorrow Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Council will publish its draft development plan proposing the introduction of an SDZ which would formulate more precise information on permissible development in Cherrywood.
As this would provide a better indication of Cherrywood land uses and values, it would also help to eliminate speculative land purchases in the SDZ and it would, in turn, make it easier for Mr Carroll to sell some of his land should he wish to do so.
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Do we really need another SDZ?
What is the councils motivation to do this?


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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Do we really need another SDZ?
What is the councils motivation to do this?
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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:27 pm 
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in fairness there are excellent transport links to cherrywood
makes sense to develop it in a coherent fashion
there is a lot of undeveloped land on the other side of the m50 as well


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there is a lot of undeveloped land on the other side of the m50 as well


And we need this why?


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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build some amenities, schools, bars, restaurants as opposed to building houses, apartments and nothing for people living in them to enjoy in the area

we knocked down schools, built apartments and then found no where for the kids to go to school?

maybe a plan like this allows for joined up thinking when developing a large area where there is lots of undeveloped land


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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build some amenities, schools, bars, restaurants as opposed to building houses, apartments and nothing for people living in them to enjoy in the area

we knocked down schools, built apartments and then found no where for the kids to go to school?

maybe a plan like this allows for joined up thinking when developing a large area where there is lots of undeveloped land



And Adamstown is the roaring success that it was heralded to be is it.

Its be said before. We do not need to build a single thing in this country for a very , very long time.

EDIT: Schools and Healthcare , maybe road upgrades exempt.


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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i'd like to see us build public playgrounds, basketball courts, tennis courts, handball alleys, football pitches, pitch and putt courses, swimming pools, libraries, boxing gyms, ice skating rinks, athletics tracks,

all owned by local authority with a small cost to use if necessary to cover some costs

things that we lost when the apartments went up


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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i'd like to see us build public playgrounds, basketball courts, tennis courts, handball alleys, football pitches, pitch and putt courses, swimming pools, libraries, boxing gyms, ice skating rinks, athletics tracks,

all owned by local authority with a small cost to use if necessary to cover some costs

things that we lost when the apartments went up


Agreed Tyler. But Mr Carroll does not want to build these. Remember, he is the King of the Shoebox. We do not need an sdz at cherrywood for anyone.

What we need are sustainable jobs. Anything else is just moot.


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:16 pm 
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The Naked Chef wrote:
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build some amenities, schools, bars, restaurants as opposed to building houses, apartments and nothing for people living in them to enjoy in the area

we knocked down schools, built apartments and then found no where for the kids to go to school?

maybe a plan like this allows for joined up thinking when developing a large area where there is lots of undeveloped land



And Adamstown is the roaring success that it was heralded to be is it.

Its be said before. We do not need to build a single thing in this country for a very , very long time.

EDIT: Schools and Healthcare , maybe road upgrades exempt.


We'll need to build prisons, great big one with high walls that are sound proof enough to stop the shite spouted by corrupt politicos from escaping.

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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:35 pm 
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The Naked Chef wrote:
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i'd like to see us build public playgrounds, basketball courts, tennis courts, handball alleys, football pitches, pitch and putt courses, swimming pools, libraries, boxing gyms, ice skating rinks, athletics tracks,

all owned by local authority with a small cost to use if necessary to cover some costs

things that we lost when the apartments went up


Agreed Tyler. But Mr Carroll does not want to build these. Remember, he is the King of the Shoebox. We do not need an sdz at cherrywood for anyone.

What we need are sustainable jobs. Anything else is just moot.


Agreed but I thought purpose of sdz was to impose these kinds of amenities, transport links as a condition of development

one thing cherrywood has that adamstown doesn't is a good transport infrastructure already in place - m50, luas, n11, good bus services, dart not too far away
it is probably one of the best served areas of the country from a transport infrastructure development so if you could put on top of that a well thought out local amenity structure combined with commercial space then it could work very well

take your point on the developer though


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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is there different Cherrywood topic?

http://www.cherrywooddublin.com/propert ... stein-tc1/

No dates, more adverts, more fluff, ye still no sunlight in slum apartments:
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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:11 am 
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mightyz wrote:
No dates, more adverts, more fluff, ye still no sunlight in slum apartments:


As someone who has frequently gone months at a time barely seeing my home during daylight hours (not hard in winter), I reckon that there are worse things than living in an apartment without much sunlight. Sure, when I have a seven figure budget I want great sunny terraces, but nearer the bottom end of the market you're always going to be giving up something.

And those apartments will be dual aspect, I presume, so as long as the orientation isn't exactly north then there will be some sun either in the morning or evening on the other side.


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
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I thought for a minute that Liam Carroll had managed to extract himself from the black-hole of DLRCC's "SDZ" when I saw this thread near the top of the active discussions list.

How I laughed when a I read the first few posts from 2009 which suggested Carrol would benefit form being in the SDZ. Over the last number of years DLRCC have effectively sterilised the SDZ zone such that all the development in the areas is taking place outside the SDZ boundaries. The SDZ which was supposed to speed up development has stalled development while areas outside the SDZ are developed much quicker.


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 Post subject: Re: Re-zoning to boost Carroll's plans for Cherrywood land
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:25 pm 
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How I laughed when a I read the first few posts from 2009...

Also this:
The Naked Chef in 2009 wrote:
We do not need to build a single thing in this country for a very , very long time.

Hmmm.

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