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 Post subject: Aw, Jebus, Isabel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:45 am 
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We ignored the warning signs. We never queried or questioned. We let it happen. And now we are desperately looking around for someone to blame. Some call for another general election, despite knowing that it would make zero difference. Others march in the streets, write letters to newspaper editors and make irate phone calls to radio chat shows.

And a few sad, sorry and conveniently anonymous property bloggers have nothing better to do than turn cyberspace red with their bitching and berating of everything and everyone, yet have not got the guts to put their names to their tirades.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/pro ... 71819.html

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:04 am 
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Was just reading that. It seems that Tom Parlon's ability to forecast the future in the present is catching.

BTW Isobel, if you are reading, I hope you are happy with your role (although minor) in shackling hundreds of thousands of (mainly) young people to decades of penury and diminished livelihoods through colossal debt you half-wit twit. You should not even be let out to the shops.


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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:40 am 
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By the late 1990s Dublin 6 and Sandymount were considered acceptable addresses, as properties for sale on Ailesbury and Shrewsbury were rare, as the professionals were hanging on to their homes for dear life.

But it was not long before the sinners multiplied and went forth to south Co Dublin where they joined golf and yacht clubs and enjoyed sea views and large gardens. They first invaded Killiney and Dalkey and later spread to Sandycove, Glenageary and Monkstown. Eventually the Dublin 4 sinners met the south county sinners in Blackrock, where those who couldn’t quite make up their minds now reside.

As soon as they had purchased the period residence of their dreams, they set about gutting, extending and renovating. Anorexic wives greedily competed with each other for the newest designer fittings and the largest of ballroom kitchens. Not that any of them had any intention of cooking in them of course.

And then they became lazy and slothful because, well, because they could. After all they now had “overseas staff” to attend to those nasty little boring jobs, so why ruin one’s nails or exhaust oneself unnecessarily.

But owning one property was never going to be quite good enough and soon the sin of envy came to light in the early 2000s when it became known that all the best people had a flat in Chelsea or South Ken, a bijou pad in Paris, an apartment overlooking Central Park, a frontline (golf) villa in Portugal and a frontline (sea) villa on the Côte D’Azur.


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And more than any other morning they looked forward to Thursday morning for is was on that day every week they would drop Tarquin and Sian off early at the Montessori in their X5 before making for the nearest newsagents post-haste to get their expensively manicured hands on the Irish Times. But for these ladies it was not Fintan O'Toole's holier-than-thou musings or letters from retired colonels with double-barreled names and an address along the DART line reporting the first corncrake of spring that caused their temperature to rise. Truth be told, the part with current affairs and business and other boring stuff was jettisoned straight away-The Paper of Record lying lonely and untouched on the passenger seat until it came in handy after Rover made a mess that time we gave him the leftovers from Diep Le Shaker. For them, this 32 page supplement (or, if Madame Editor is truly spoiling us, a special double 64 pages) of advertisements, interior design and the opinions of some the most brilliant writers working in Ireland today wasn't just their bible-it was their Ireland's Own, their St. Martin's Magazine, their Hustler-all in one.


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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:27 am 
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We ignored the warning signs. We never queried or questioned. We let it happen. And now we are desperately looking around for someone to blame.


Ahem, speak for yourself there Isabel. Some people did try their best to stop others from being robbed blind by being cajoled, bullied or coerced into falling victim to the pyramid scheme you actively promoted.

But I'm sure your conscience is clear, like the bank accounts of the people you helped to suck in.


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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:29 am 
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Meow Issie.

Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of reality. All the back peddling in the world won't get you back on side.
You are one of the bad guys, the boom feeders that talked it up even when you must have known you were talking rubbish and doing harm.

The reason you hate bloggers so much is that a) they were right and b) they called you on your shilling. Bloggers weren't depending on advertising from property to pay for their column inches, so unlike you they were willing to tell the truth.

Oh and if you'd like to know my identity it's no secret, but just in case you haven't mastered google, you can PM me any time.

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:32 am 
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daltonr wrote:
Meow Issie.

Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of reality. All the back peddling in the world won't get you back on side.
You are one of the bad guys, the boom feeders that talked it up even when you must have known you were talking rubbish and doing harm.

The reason you hate bloggers so much is that a) they were right and b) they called you on your shilling. Bloggers weren't depending on advertising from property to pay for their column inches, so unlike you they were willing to tell the truth.

Oh and if you'd like to know my identity it's no secret, but just in case you haven't mastered google, you can PM me any time.

-Rd


Are you "somebody"? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:35 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:01 am 
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Are you "somebody"?


Isn't everybody?

If we've learned anything from all of this it's that the "somebody's" in this country have dropped in
value faster than the houses and bank shares.

What are they worth? Really? What does Issie contribute?
Most bloggers at least have day jobs and make something of a contribution to society, even if you discount their blogging.
Issie's net contribution to the nation is negative.

She and Tom and the rest either don't know what they're talking about or they do know and they lie.
Either way they're less than worthless. An episode of school around the corner would be as likely
to give accurate analysis and honest opinion.

Issie and her like can be bought for a couple of Zimbabwe bank notes and a McCain Palin '08 T-Shirt.
Personally, I'd keep the Bank Notes and the T-Shirt.

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:06 am 
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Here's an idea:

How's about following the link to Isobel's excellent and incisive article (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/pro%20...%2071819.html) and clicking on the 'email to author' link at the top of the page and letting her know what you think of this piece as well as her previous contributions to property 'journalism' over the years.

I would also suggest that anyone who does take the time to mail Isobel, signs their real name as we are all aware how anonymity irks her.

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:28 am 
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So, what precisely, are we waiting for? Are we waiting to be told that prices are going up again? At which point we will all rush out to buy.

Like mindless sheep following each other around a field, waiting for one to make the first move, then the rest will follow. We all got such a fright last year, that we huddled up in the far corner of the field waiting for the sheepdog to herd us towards the gate.

Well the property gate is open again. Not quite as wide open as it had been before, but open nevertheless. So let's get moving. You can never buy at the wrong time.


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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:28 am 
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Just sent this to the esteemed Isobel:

Dear Isobel,

That you have the audacity to write an article in which you state 'We ignored the warning signs. We never queried or questioned. We let it happen. And now we are desperately looking around for someone to blame' would be shocking were it not clearly a pathalogical trait. You have had the brass neck to be a cheerleader for a completely unsustainable property bubble right up to the point when the lifeboats were hitting the water. Many highly vocal and visible commentators, including the governments own think-tank (ESRI, don't ya know), have been telling us all for years that our addiction to property investment was going to come to an inevitable sticky end. As well as those mainstream commentators, there have been many 'anonymous property bloggers' who have been attempting to spread the word, not just about the property fiasco, but also about the banking, pension and personal debt time-bombs which have been ticking loudly for the last ten years. And now, in your infinite wisdom - you who has been fanning the flames of this disaster, ad nauseum, for years - see fit to wreak your 'wrath' on those very people who have only ever had this nation's best interests at heart. That, dear author, is a step too far - even by your high standards.

Yours,

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:44 am 
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Off topic, but how come most Times articles like this start and end in Dublin?
Was it only Dublin people who put boxes in their rubbish or bought foreign property?
Obviously it will be the dominant force, but you get the feeling that most Times journalists/columnists/writers are only slightly aware of anything going on outside the M50.

On topic again. Its gas to see so many people making u-turns now. The sort of u-turns you would see being made at 8:30 outside a South Dublin school in an SUV...dahling.


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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:48 am 
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Jebus can't help you now Issie

I suppose Madam Editor had to print that crap in the interests of balanced reporting after giving Morgan his head last week (not literally)

Unfortunately, Issie is about as balanced as Norman Bates on a one-armed see-saw...

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:08 am 
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We ignored the warning signs. We never queried or questioned. We let it happen. And now we are desperately looking around for someone to blame.


Ahem, speak for yourself there Isobel. Some people did try their best to stop others from being robbed blind by being cajoled, bullied or coerced into falling victim to the pyramid scheme you actively promoted.

But I'm sure your conscience is clear, like the bank accounts of the people you helped to suck in.

yeah that part jumped out at me too...
she got that right
We (The Irish Times Journalistic Staff) ignored the warning signs.
We (The Irish Times Editorial Staff) never queried or questioned.
We (The Irish Times Trust) let it happen.
And now we (Isabel Morton) are desperately looking around for someone to blame

Listen they are such poor quality journalists that even when they are on the attack they end up hanging themselves out to dry ...

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 Post subject: Re: Aw, Jebus, Isobel
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:13 am 
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Browned Off wrote:
Just sent this to the esteemed Isobel:

Dear Isobel,

That you have the audacity to write an article in which you state 'We ignored the warning signs. We never queried or questioned. We let it happen. And now we are desperately looking around for someone to blame' would be shocking were it not clearly a pathalogical trait. You have had the brass neck to be a cheerleader for a completely unsustainable property bubble right up to the point when the lifeboats were hitting the water. Many highly vocal and visible commentators, including the governments own think-tank (ESRI, don't ya know), have been telling us all for years that our addiction to property investment was going to come to an inevitable sticky end. As well as those mainstream commentators, there have been many 'anonymous property bloggers' who have been attempting to spread the word, not just about the property fiasco, but also about the banking, pension and personal debt time-bombs which have been ticking loudly for the last ten years. And now, in your infinite wisdom - you who has been fanning the flames of this disaster, ad nauseum, for years - see fit to wreak your 'wrath' on those very people who have only ever had this nation's best interests at heart. That, dear author, is a step too far - even by your high standards.

Yours,

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I'd suggest if you're going to send her stuff then you keep it to one or two sentences. She may try and delete without reading and two sentences are much more likely to be scanned.

Isobel- you shouldn't knock anonymity. Writing with a by-line is what you are paid to do. We do it for free. And have been proven right, moreover. Anything we write is capable of instant challenge- and by the quality of posting it is worthy challenge. If you want to participate in this level of debate, you might open your own thread- call it Isobel's thread?!

Oh- and Isobel, thank you for helping your readership be aware that there are alternative viewpoints on the web. It shouldn't take long for motivated readers to find them. And when they do your failure or complicity will be made clear to them. This is the precursor I predict of the books/ and papers of record which will follow and which will place your contributution very squarely in context and in significant proportion.


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