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 Post subject: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:48 am 
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A survey carried out by property website Daft.ie has shown that average rents across the country fell by 5% in the first three months of this year.

Daft.ie said the average national rent was now €840 a month, down 16% from the same period last year.

The largest falls in the first quarter of this year were in Dublin and Limerick city, where rents dropped by 6.5%. Daft.ie says rents nationwide have now fallen for 14 months in a row and are 17.5% lower than the peak in early 2008


http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/0506/daft.html


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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:57 am 
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This was reported as 'bad news' on Newstalk this morning. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:02 am 
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As a tenant it brought a smile to my face.... :D


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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:07 am 
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flash wrote:
This was reported as 'bad news' on Newstalk this morning. :roll:


More 'bad news' for the Newstalk jocks. The fall in rents reported by Daft is a drop in asking rents, tenants should be offering about 10% less than the landlord is quoting.



The Daft report.
http://www.daft.ie/report/Daft-Rental-Report-Q1-2009.pdf


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 Post subject: Ronan Lyons on Newstalk - Low rents are bad!
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:10 am 
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Ronan...this is directly squarely at you.

On newstalk this morning you further purpetuated the widely held view that a low cost of accomodation is a bad thing.
You presented a news section that "falling rents" is a bad thing.

"An end to the bad news" refering to a levelling off in supply...which you were inferring might stablise rents.
You're brief report presented falling rents as a bad development.

Surely you can see this is a good thing and might help the country move in the right direction?
Rents are still too high.

I can't post a link to the report but you should be ashamed Ronan.
Low rents are a good development...and a small step on the road to recovery.

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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:32 am 
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Hi guys,

A couple of report-related resources:
I'll be doing a couple more posts on the latest report, looking for example at yields and at affordability, over the next fortnight.

All comments and suggestions welcome, as per usual,

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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
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Why did you present this as bad news Ronan?

Surely the cost of accomodation falling is a good thing?

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 Post subject: Re: Ronan Lyons on Newstalk - Low rents are bad!
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:42 am 
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Hi Django_returns,

Fair point - as mentioned elsewhere, Newstalk (and RTE) have taken this up as a "bad news" story. The original press release merely explained that rents were falling because of too much supply (overconstruction) and not enough demand (emigration).

The "end to the bad news" in relation to the oversupply was a point precisely about that - over-construction was bad for the economy, even if it felt good at the time, and we're feeling the hangover of that now. Neither rents going up 25% rapidly nor going down 25% rapidly is good news from an economic stability point of view, so presumably you can understand the news outlets seeing the latter as bad news - independent of the fact that it's quite clearly good news for tenants. What people want to see is that we're working through the 'steps in the right direction', as you call them, which are going to be very painful. I wasn't exactly able to give them that, but I did note that the number of properties available to rent had levelled off in the last month - for what that's worth.

On a recent rental report, the exact opposite message went out - that this was unalloyed good news for tenants, in uncertain economic times. Each report is taken up its own way and all nuances can't be got across unfortunately in a 30 second or 60 second slot.

Hope that makes sense,

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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:47 am 
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(From other thread on same subject)

Hi Django_returns,

Fair point - as mentioned elsewhere, Newstalk (and RTE) have taken this up as a "bad news" story. The original press release merely explained that rents were falling because of too much supply (overconstruction) and not enough demand (emigration).

The "end to the bad news" in relation to the oversupply was a point precisely about that - over-construction was bad for the economy, even if it felt good at the time, and we're feeling the hangover of that now. Neither rents going up 25% rapidly nor going down 25% rapidly is good news from an economic stability point of view, so presumably you can understand the news outlets seeing the latter as bad news - independent of the fact that it's quite clearly good news for tenants. What people want to see is that we're working through the 'steps in the right direction', as you call them, which are going to be very painful. I wasn't exactly able to give them that, but I did note that the number of properties available to rent had levelled off in the last month - for what that's worth.

On a recent rental report, the exact opposite message went out - that this was unalloyed good news for tenants, in uncertain economic times. Each report is taken up its own way and all nuances can't be got across unfortunately in a 30 second or 60 second slot.

Hope that makes sense,

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 Post subject: Re: Ronan Lyons on Newstalk - Low rents are bad!
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:49 am 
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RonanL wrote:
Hi Django_returns,

Fair point - as mentioned elsewhere, Newstalk (and RTE) have taken this up as a "bad news" story. The original press release merely explained that rents were falling because of too much supply (overconstruction) and not enough demand (emigration).

The "end to the bad news" in relation to the oversupply was a point precisely about that - over-construction was bad for the economy, even if it felt good at the time, and we're feeling the hangover of that now. Neither rents going up 25% rapidly nor going down 25% rapidly is good news from an economic stability point of view, so presumably you can understand the news outlets seeing the latter as bad news - independent of the fact that it's quite clearly good news for tenants. What people want to see is that we're working through the 'steps in the right direction', as you call them, which are going to be very painful. I wasn't exactly able to give them that, but I did note that the number of properties available to rent had levelled off in the last month - for what that's worth.

On a recent rental report, the exact opposite message went out - that this was unalloyed good news for tenants, in uncertain economic times. Each report is taken up its own way and all nuances can't be got across unfortunately in a 30 second or 60 second slot.

Hope that makes sense,

R


Fair play Ronan for coming and answering. I see your point about each news outlet taking a different stance, but I'm sure it doesn't take 60 seconds to get the message across that falling property prices and rents are good news since it frees up valuable capital that can be put to better use in more productive areas of the economy.

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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:59 am 
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It is an interesting problem .

There are up to 450,000 rentable properties in Ireland = (Empties + Private Rental Sector Today) - Holiday Homes .

There are only 200,000 or so renting households

For every 2 potential landlords such as Newstalk Radio Show hosts there is only one potential customer out there .

In the UK (IIRC I could be wrong) there are 4 private rented properties+empties for every customer meaning that for every 2 potential landlords there are 8 potential customers .

This would tend to mean that the UK landlord has far greater pricing power than a typical Newstalk Presenter who dabbles in property and is stuck with an unrentable shoebox in Navan that they choose not to disclose on air .

2Pack finds himself repeating himself for the benefit of the thickos over in Newstalk .

It's The Empties STOOPID !!

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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
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Ronan,

I am unsure what your own personal opinions are regards to the cost of property and rent.
I believe it is as clear as day to anyone with even the slightest understand of econommics that both are monstrously high.
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The "end to the bad news" in relation to the oversupply was a point precisely about that

The point you put across was that rents were falling and the levelling of in supply should go some way to stabilising that.
I understand time constriants may cause you to mis-articulate but that is how it came across.

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Neither rents going up 25% rapidly nor going down 25% rapidly is good news from an economic stability point of view

My point is rents are currently too high and a correction, slow or otherwise is a good development for the economy. Newstalks stance, and by default yours, was that falling rents are a bad thing.

Wages are stagant or falling, if people are to maintain disposable income than the main component of cost of living must fall.....accomodation.

I understand you are going out on a limb on newstalk but either you believe falling rents are bad or newstalk railroaded you into presenting that.

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 Post subject: Re: Daft: Rents fall 5% in first three months.
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I'd say 5% is quite a conservative estimate as it doesn't take into consideration those who have renegotiated with their landlords - I'd say it's more like 10%.

And yes, why this is classified as 'bad' news is mystifying...


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My personal position is that any restriction in supply , as measured by reduced construction activity, is more than compensated for by the number of 'accidental' landlords out there who bought to flip and got landed with the flip.

Ultimately the private rented sector is dwarfed by the number of empties out there...even in the cities where at least 10% of the housing stock is empty ...never mind Leitrim where 1 in 3 properties is empty.

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There are only 200,000 or so renting households


Last time I checked the cso it was 144,000.

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