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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:25 pm 
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Frankly I was staggered that she managed to pen an article without mentioning the LGBT community, abortion rights or Trump.

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:27 pm 
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I have to admit I was sceptical of Eircode and would have preferred a geolocation based system.
I have since come around and realized the benefits to state agencies, especially in the absence of a proper cadastre system as it at least gives every mailbox a unique ID.


Yeah once you realise that most applications want a contact point, or delivery point, rather than a geographic point it makes much more sense than a pure geo-based system, which is ironically extremely ambiguous for many applications.


Could the two elements not have been combined? I know Eircode said they couldn't arrange geo-based sequential codes, as this wouldn't allow for new buildings, but surely there was a way around this that would still tie codes to a location?


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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:36 pm 
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Journalist discovers Ireland's furniture retailer is looking for eircodes and concludes that eircodes are of no use whatsoever!

I am glad I gave up the IT subscription.


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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:15 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
marcexec wrote:
I have to admit I was sceptical of Eircode and would have preferred a geolocation based system.
I have since come around and realized the benefits to state agencies, especially in the absence of a proper cadastre system as it at least gives every mailbox a unique ID.


Yeah once you realise that most applications want a contact point, or delivery point, rather than a geographic point it makes much more sense than a pure geo-based system, which is ironically extremely ambiguous for many applications.


Could the two elements not have been combined? I know Eircode said they couldn't arrange geo-based sequential codes, as this wouldn't allow for new buildings, but surely there was a way around this that would still tie codes to a location?


Yes and no. It would have been possible to use a geo-based co-ordinate set but only issue a subset of those co-ordinates; however that doesn't really help in practice since you still need a central agency to (1) issue the post codes and (2) provide a file that can be used to verify that a post code is valid. Given that you need a central agency, you then want to fund it using licence fees, so you need to obscure the post codes somewhat to make it commercially viable. And anyway you lose the value of having it be co-ordinate based if you can't derive your post code from your co-ordinates.

Essentially you can't have a system that is both:
1 - Useful for identifying premises; and
2 - Usable without reference to a central database

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:16 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
She really is terrible. She didn't even do sufficient research to find out that it has nothing to do with An Post ("An Post’s poorly designed postcode system should already have been returned to sender")


An Post unsurprisingly took umbrage at her lies/inability to factcheck her own prejudices:

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The original subheading on this column referred to ‘An Post’s poorly designed postcode system’. An Post has pointed out that it had no role in the design of eircode and that it has no responsibility for monitoring the uptake of eircodes. This was edited on February 13th, 2017.


She reads like a parody of an idiot liberal snowflake journalist, except that wouldn't be funny...and it really isn't funny that she gets paid for this drivel.


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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:50 pm 
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Letter from da minister with some eircode usage facts.

Very ignorant effort at a rant from Una, the IT need to find a new controversialist to draw in those clicks.


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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
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Have you noticed how Una's current profile pic looks like it was taken while she was being told off for doing something wrong?

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Have you noticed how Una's current profile pic looks like it was taken while she was being told off for doing something wrong?



Spot on !

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
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I don't follow Una Mullaly like I did that atrocious Isabel Morton thing the Times hired years ago. So I simply don't know if she is crap.

But as i live out the country with 3 near neighbours named Patrick Fahy I do understand what the motivation was for creating Eircode. However, ultimately the best location data for deliveries is your Mobile Number.

Couriers always ring to see if you are actually at home and if not then that local garage will do fine and you can get it on the way home. No amount of postcoding will cope with a closed door and nobody home which is normal during courier business hours as we are all at work. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
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However, ultimately the best location data for deliveries is your Mobile Number.

Couriers always ring to see if you are actually at home and if not then that local garage will do fine and you can get it on the way home. No amount of postcoding will cope with a closed door and nobody home which is normal during courier business hours as we are all at work. :)

Yes, I have to agree with this, but we have come to an arrangement with the regular couriers to place the parcel in a certain location at the house. And the mobile phone is still useful for giving directions to those who can't read a map or still refuse to use the postcode to locate us.

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
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Serious question: How are deaf people supposed to receive parcels?

Address and postcode? No pal, I must talk to you!


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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
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Serious question: How are deaf people supposed to receive parcels?

Address and postcode? No pal, I must talk to you!

And what about people with no arms! How are they supposed to receive parcels?

Eircode hadn't thought of that!

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:42 am 
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From the Indo:

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Illogical Eircode failing to deliver for customers

Can you recite your Eircode without looking? If you are like most people the answer is probably no and it is sitting in a drawer with your iodine tablets.

Don’t feel too bad: even those with potentially most to gain from the €38m location code system introduced in 2015 are largely indifferent to it. A CBRE survey of Ireland’s logistics and shipping industries found just 19pc of operators have adapted their business processes in order to exploit Eircode. Presumably this is the case because the people they are delivering to just don’t bother to use their own Eircode when ordering goods.

It is a shocking indictment of a system that has been in place during a period when online shopping and the delivery of parcels has skyrocketed. It was always an imperative to bring in a location code system for Ireland for all sorts of good reasons. But perhaps if the codes bore some relationship to the actual geographical location of a premises people might remember them and even use them.

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:48 am 
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From the Indo:

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Illogical Eircode failing to deliver for customers

Can you recite your Eircode without looking? If you are like most people the answer is probably no and it is sitting in a drawer with your iodine tablets.

Don’t feel too bad: even those with potentially most to gain from the €38m location code system introduced in 2015 are largely indifferent to it. A CBRE survey of Ireland’s logistics and shipping industries found just 19pc of operators have adapted their business processes in order to exploit Eircode. Presumably this is the case because the people they are delivering to just don’t bother to use their own Eircode when ordering goods.

It is a shocking indictment of a system that has been in place during a period when online shopping and the delivery of parcels has skyrocketed. It was always an imperative to bring in a location code system for Ireland for all sorts of good reasons. But perhaps if the codes bore some relationship to the actual geographical location of a premises people might remember them and even use them.


I take it Gavin McLoughlin didn't actually read the report. The report measures change in the last 12 months and therefore excludes everyone who had already incorporated eircodes prior to 12 months ago.

Belongs in the "dodgy reporting" thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Post codes to be operational in 2 yrs
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:52 am 
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funny, I was just noticing that couriers are starting to use it; had a guy ring me up and ask me for a delivery to the folks' - not interested in directions

Even popping up on RIP.ie for funerals/removals

https://www.google.se/search?q=site:rip ... 4&bih=1521


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