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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:09 am 
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The right of the homeless to be housed in the geographical area of their choice also has to be challenged.

Wicklow County Council recently offered homeless men accomodation in Arklow after they become homeless in Bray. Rents in Arklow are maybe 60% of Bray.

To my mind this is a sensible use of taxpayers' funds.

Cue a protest outside the Council offices and capitulation by the Council.

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Two homeless men who occupied Bray Town Council offices have left the building.

The men, who are seeking accommodation, were in the lobby of the building since last Thursday afternoon.

They were among ten residents who had been living at a men's shelter at Brighton Terrace in Bray, which was closed.

They came out the front door to cheers from their friends and supporters, who have been camped outside the building.

The men, who were accompanied by Sinn Féin TD John Brady, said they were "happy" and "the issue is resolved."

It is understood the two men will be accommodated in Bray for five nights and are meeting council officials this afternoon to discuss a more long term housing solution.
The council previously made an offer of emergency accommodation to the men in Arklow.

But the men say their support network is in Bray and "Arklow may as well be Cork."


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 11:19 am 
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their support network is in Bray


Did you miss this part?


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 11:23 am 
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and your point is?
why aren't they couch surfing with their support network if their support network is so important to them.


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 11:32 am 
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Andy wrote:
Barney Gumble wrote:
Eschatologist wrote:
Even Stephen Donnelly was moaning, and he's usually the least idiotic in the room.

Stephen Donnelly dons and doffs his populist hat as the situation demands.


Donnelly is a gormless, self serving #! $=

He is a populist. No more no less.


Yeah, very populist of him to be the lone voice against tax cuts in the leaders' debate :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:06 pm 
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Joe-Levity wrote:
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their support network is in Bray


Did you miss this part?


This drives me mad. If you've a job where you're limited to certain cities/towns, you have to bloody well get on with it and develop a new network (or be independent enough that you only need a limited one) - no one is going to create a job for you to suit your network. So if you're unable or not willing to work should you really always be mollycoddled and given your pick of housing just to suit your 'support network'?


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:42 pm 
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fuck them all. Seriously fuck em.

I wonder when will Ireland wake up, if ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:06 pm 
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I believe it is morally obligatory to provide shelter for the most needy in your community (defined broadly). This should be a right. It is impossible to live any kind of normal life without the guarantee of a bed and the capacity to prepare food for yourself.

However type and location of your choice should not be a right. If you are relying on society to provide you with basic needs you have to accept restrictions. These relate to value for money as well as moral hazard.


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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:13 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
I believe it is morally obligatory to provide shelter for the most needy in your community (defined broadly). This should be a right. It is impossible to live any kind of normal life without the guarantee of a bed and the capacity to prepare food for yourself.

However type and location of your choice should not be a right. If you are relying on society to provide you with basic needs you have to accept restrictions. These relate to value for money as well as moral hazard.


Completely agree.

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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:25 pm 
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What about all those people streaming into Dublin everyday from all over Leinster? Many of these would love to live in Dublin.

The country stands for nothing. Its just a flag in the wind.


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 10:35 pm 
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What about all those people streaming into Dublin everyday from all over Leinster? Many of these would love to live in Dublin.

The country stands for nothing. Its just a flag in the wind.


Absolutely

Take a man from Kerry, say, and a woman from Donegal

Move to Dublin for their respective jobs, meet get married and have children. What about access to their "support network"?

Nah - they're expected to pay tax then pay through the nose (from their own pockets) for rents and childcare

They manage - I'm sure those without work to go to 40 hours per week could also

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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:06 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
I believe it is morally obligatory to provide shelter for the most needy in your community (defined broadly). This should be a right. It is impossible to live any kind of normal life without the guarantee of a bed and the capacity to prepare food for yourself.

However type and location of your choice should not be a right. If you are relying on society to provide you with basic needs you have to accept restrictions. These relate to value for money as well as moral hazard.



Mmmmnn what about the commuters or the emigrants even? And immigrants too!


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 7:35 am 
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Landlords will be the sole beneficiaries of a €55m bonanza in additional rent supplement, it has been claimed.


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This year, the Government will spend an additional €20m, and €55m in a full year, on rent supplement, because of an agreement between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil to increase payments by 15%. The deal was done, during the talks to form the Government, a number of weeks back.

Calls to increase rent-supplement payments have escalated, as the housing crisis has bitten hard in the past 18 months. The previous, Fine Gael-Labour government had been reluctant to increase rent supplement to address the housing crisis, and new internal documents from the Department of Social Protection have raised alarm at the agreed increase.

According to the documents, the additional spend will, at best, deliver an additional 150 units, including just one three-bed family home in the Dublin area.

The department is extremely caustic about the additional spend, saying it represents a “disporportionate cost” to the exchequer and the taxpayer.


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Mr Humphreys said: “Fine Gael have agreed with Fianna Fáil to increase the rent supplement by 15%, but how many additional units will that deliver? Barely none.

“To raise the rent supplement, and Fine Gael have accepted it will not create one extra single unit, it will cost €55.5m of taxpayers’ money. How does that make any sense?”

Fine Gael TD for Kildare North, Benard Durkin, conceded that the additional spend would not improve the delivery of homes.

“Not one is the answer. Increasing rent supplement is not going to deliver one additional unit,” he said. “Not one extra house will it deliver. It is merely bringing up the income of whoever is renting the house to an acceptable market level.



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And it has emerged that the taxpayer will pay €46m this year to house homeless families in hotels, which the new housing minister, Simon Coveney, says is “unacceptable”.


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 10:22 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
I believe it is morally obligatory to provide shelter for the most needy in your community (defined broadly). This should be a right. It is impossible to live any kind of normal life without the guarantee of a bed and the capacity to prepare food for yourself.

However type and location of your choice should not be a right. If you are relying on society to provide you with basic needs you have to accept restrictions. These relate to value for money as well as moral hazard.


Fully agree. I like that you used shelter (home often implies house in most people's minds). I always wondered why social housing and emergency accommodation has to be a local problem, it's not a big country after all and could well be managed centrally: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.2378747

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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:52 am 
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Homeless crisis: Rent allowance set to increase
Additional assistance to tackle housing emergency expected to vary by location
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics ... -1.2702073
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An immediate move to provide extra financial assistance to people at risk of becoming homeless is to be announced by the Government to tackle the housing crisis.
The Cabinet is expected to agree today to increase rent supplement and housing assistance payment with effect from next week.
Both allowances are paid to people who cannot afford the full cost of renting a home and are, in effect, top-ups to cover the full cost of the rent.
A decision by the Cabinet today means the maximum rents that may be paid by people receiving rent supplement and housing assistance payment will be increased from July in an effort to prevent people becoming homeless.
A memo from Minister for Social Protection Leo Varadkar would see the rent limits that apply in councils across the country increase by more than 25 per cent in some cases

Cha ching for landlords


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 Post subject: Re: Rent supplement is in the crosshairs
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:55 am 
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Short term easy solution done for political reasons. Not sure how this is going to make more housing units available?


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