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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:34 pm 
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The HSE have just advertised advertised for a general manager of St Columcille's (aka Loughlinstown) Hospital.

This is a starting salary of €3300 topping out at €3750 pcm. Is the HSE really going to attract high-quality managers in at these kind of wages with Dublin housing costs?


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:43 pm 
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A friend of mine was telling me that some data entry jobs(which shouldn't exist except for a fool of a manager) in the same hospital he works in are paying as much as his IT/DB Admin/Data Analysis job. He isn't feeling very motivated.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:58 pm 
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dipole wrote:
A friend of mine was telling me that some data entry jobs(which shouldn't exist except for a fool of a manager) in the same hospital he works in are paying as much as his IT/DB Admin/Data Analysis job. He isn't feeling very motivated.


See Chart 3.5 (page 22) of the attached CSO report on Public Sector pay premiums.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/earnings/2010/publicprivatepay.pdf

The main PS pay premium is at the lower levels. Not at the upper levels.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:02 pm 
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Andy wrote:
See Chart 3.5 (page 22) of the attached CSO report on Public Sector pay premiums.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/earnings/2010/publicprivatepay.pdf

The main PS pay premium is at the lower levels. Not at the upper levels.


Absolutely.

By far the biggest reductions in take-home since 2009 were for those on >65k or so. If you were on the big bucks (>€150k) you saw nearly a 20% fall in take-home even before the impact of increased PAYE, USC, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:26 pm 
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Pay re-instatement is targetted at the lower-end rather than the top so problem of getting people to do these jobs will increase. Lots of unfilled vacancies at a senior level in Public Service orgs I am familiar with. Bean counters often happy with prolonged vacancies as they see it as a pain free way of staying within budget (or rather they blow their budget but get bailed out by the vacancies). They don't really care too much if it stresses the front-line or the service users.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
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Skippy 3 wrote:
The HSE have just advertised advertised for a general manager of St Columcille's (aka Loughlinstown) Hospital.

This is a starting salary of €3300 topping out at €3750 pcm. Is the HSE really going to attract high-quality managers in at these kind of wages with Dublin housing costs?

The only thing this is good for is getting your foot in the door(it takes a long time to hire an outsider, but it is easy to move around once inside) and then hopefully jumping to another position which pays better along the line. That is what my friend did with his job although he is still looking to jump to something better. A few times he has seen what appear to be better jobs but has been warned off them as they in places which were highly hostile or completely dysfunctional.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:44 pm 
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Pay re-instatement is targetted at the lower-end rather than the top so problem of getting people to do these jobs will increase. Lots of unfilled vacancies at a senior level in Public Service orgs I am familiar with. Bean counters often happy with prolonged vacancies as they see it as a pain free way of staying within budget (or rather they blow their budget but get bailed out by the vacancies). They don't really care too much if it stresses the front-line or the service users.


The recent clerical officer (lowest grade in PS) competition had 30,000 applicants.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:09 pm 
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That pay is ropey enough when compared with other PS salaries.

A teacher with an A post wouldn't be far off that. A principal of a large secondary school would be well past that mark.

A standard lecturer salary would be of that order. All sorts of technical grades, planners, engineers, etc at senior level, would be on that.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:32 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
The HSE have just advertised advertised for a general manager of St Columcille's (aka Loughlinstown) Hospital.

This is a starting salary of €3300 topping out at €3750 pcm. Is the HSE really going to attract high-quality managers in at these kind of wages with Dublin housing costs?


Applicants will also have to take account of pension contributions which on this sort of salary are 15 per cent including the pension levy.

This means in practice the successful candidate will be taking home 50 per cent of total pay. Very attractive !!


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:44 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
The HSE have just advertised advertised for a general manager of St Columcille's (aka Loughlinstown) Hospital.

This is a starting salary of €3300 topping out at €3750 pcm. Is the HSE really going to attract high-quality managers in at these kind of wages with Dublin housing costs?


Isn't that hospital gradually being transitioned into a long-term care home? Their A&E is gone thank god. I think this is really a local admin/manager position and the shots are actually called at a group level. The most important skill is probably using Excel to do all the monthly reporting rather than any vision or strategy.

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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:02 am 
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http://www.finance.gov.ie/sites/default ... 2015_0.pdf

Health ended 2015 +579m over budget in 2015.
Social Protection +277m over (Xmas bonus made up most of this)
Education was +169m over budget


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:44 am 
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TheJackal wrote:
Social Protection +277m over (Xmas bonus made up most of this)


So if the XMas bonus was not paid, the budget would have been balanced? Jeez, its hardly rocket science now is it?!


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:12 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
Skippy 3 wrote:
The HSE have just advertised advertised for a general manager of St Columcille's (aka Loughlinstown) Hospital.

This is a starting salary of €3300 topping out at €3750 pcm. Is the HSE really going to attract high-quality managers in at these kind of wages with Dublin housing costs?


Isn't that hospital gradually being transitioned into a long-term care home? Their A&E is gone thank god. I think this is really a local admin/manager position and the shots are actually called at a group level. The most important skill is probably using Excel to do all the monthly reporting rather than any vision or strategy.


Have you read the job description? It implies it is a demanding senior management position.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:23 pm 
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How broken would the emergency health system be right now in Dublin if the swift care clinics and private hospital A and Es weren't open.


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 Post subject: Re: Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:15 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
The HSE have just advertised advertised for a general manager of St Columcille's (aka Loughlinstown) Hospital.

This is a starting salary of €3300 topping out at €3750 pcm. Is the HSE really going to attract high-quality managers in at these kind of wages with Dublin housing costs?

Are you thinking after tax.. the job specification has the following -
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Remuneration The Salary scale for the post is: €65376- €66969- €69489- €72029 -€74548- €77034 -€79481 (01/07/2013)


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