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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:34 pm 
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What an idiot Kenny is. He could have walked away at any time in the last few years and would have been credited with steadying the ship of state. Instead he lingers on for no apparent reason, with no apparent goal, and goes down in wishy-washy flames in a completely avoidable scandal.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:58 pm 
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london_irish wrote:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fine-gael-td-a-senior-garda-came-to-me-with-mccabe-smears-35452622.html
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A second member of the Dáil's Public Accounts Committee has said that he was contacted by a senior member of An Garda Siochana shortly before garda whistleblower Maurice McCabe appeared before the committee and that that garda told him Mr McCabe "couldn't be trusted".

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Mr Deasy went on to say he spoke to Taoiseach Enda Kenny privately a few weeks after the approach by the garda to discuss Mr McCabe and the "entire affair".
"At that meeting I sad to him that I believe Maurice McCabe would be vindicated that he was being treated extremely badly and that he was genuine and that this needed to be handled completely differently," he said.
He said Mr Kenny listened and acknowledged it and the meeting ended.

Enda has to go or the Goverment collapses.


Wow Deasy decided not to back up John McGuinness. Says something about him. This latest revelation says he's worried about being dragged into this and losing his seat.

I think it's worth noting that some of the people spreading these rumours believed them. So you have
- the creators and protectors of the false file and all the messing over that
- the deciders and co ordinators on spreading the rumour
- the lower level spreaders who may have actually believed what they were spreading
- the recipients like Deasy and Rabbitte

There's not enough focus on the first group IMO. All the noise is around the bottom two.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:32 pm 
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GameBlame wrote:
london_irish wrote:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fine-gael-td-a-senior-garda-came-to-me-with-mccabe-smears-35452622.html
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A second member of the Dáil's Public Accounts Committee has said that he was contacted by a senior member of An Garda Siochana shortly before garda whistleblower Maurice McCabe appeared before the committee and that that garda told him Mr McCabe "couldn't be trusted".

And then...
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Mr Deasy went on to say he spoke to Taoiseach Enda Kenny privately a few weeks after the approach by the garda to discuss Mr McCabe and the "entire affair".
"At that meeting I sad to him that I believe Maurice McCabe would be vindicated that he was being treated extremely badly and that he was genuine and that this needed to be handled completely differently," he said.
He said Mr Kenny listened and acknowledged it and the meeting ended.

Enda has to go or the Goverment collapses.


Wow Deasy decided not to back up John McGuinness. Says something about him. This latest revelation says he's worried about being dragged into this and losing his seat.

I think it's worth noting that some of the people spreading these rumours believed them. So you have
- the creators and protectors of the false file and all the messing over that
- the deciders and co ordinators on spreading the rumour
- the lower level spreaders who may have actually believed what they were spreading
- the recipients like Deasy and Rabbitte

There's not enough focus on the first group IMO. All the noise is around the bottom two.



John Deasy's seat is a hereditary seat. He'll never lose that.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:52 pm 
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The more this turns into the usual party political blame game (leading potentially to change of leader and/or an election) the less chance there is of something being done about the institutionalised opaqueness of AGS. How it is panning out is a replica of every other scandal that has affected our institutions over the years and I don't remember changes of government solving those. The media will depict it as Enda's downfall as if that was going to change anything! Same with the health service - every single Minister who has had that portfolio going back at least 20 years has been vilified - as if they personally had power to change the institution.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:59 pm 
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what is more disturbing to me is how this is intertwined with other ‘whistleblower’ cases …. The same agencys and cover ups.

Deasy and McGuinness have been to the fore with the whistleblower at the centre of the sexual abuse scandal from the South East and the same stage agencies are involved.

The HSE managers who are being accused of coverups and trying to discredit the whistleblower are in senior positions in Tusla, the Guards refused to investigate the whistleblower’s claims of sexual abuse against a vunerable person in the care of the state.

it is an establishment-wide culture of cover-ups; attack the victim to protect the institution and it’s top brass.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:28 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
Barney Gumble wrote:
What an idiot Kenny is. He could have walked away at any time in the last few years and would have been credited with steadying the ship of state. Instead he lingers on for no apparent reason, with no apparent goal, and goes down in wishy-washy flames in a completely avoidable scandal.

March = Paddys Day at the White House
April = longest serving FG Taoiseach, passing John A Costello


O'Sullivan seemingly coming close to gaining a full Commissioners pension too, just weeks away it seems if my source is correct.

These career civil servants serve only themselves, protected by their establishment bretheren as they abuse of their positions. One wonders how they sleep at night

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:00 pm 
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FG senior figures are cripplingly afraid to shaft Enda. At some point soon, this crisis actively requires one of them to seize the day, call on Enda to go, and take the initiative. The reward is great: Taoiseach, a bounce in the polls, a justifiable redrafting of the terms of government to give FG the whip hand. Which brings me to:

Who is in the background guiding FG policy at present? Where are the fabled handlers? Whoever it is hasn't the brains of a hen: allowing FF to draft the terms of reference "overnight"; enabling Jim O' Callaghan (of all the amadáns in all the world to be beholden to!) call the MoJ a liar; allowing minor functionaries (Boxer Moran, FFS) to call the shots.

This is no longer an act of usurpation; this is The National Interest.
King Varad needs to start impaling...


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:31 pm 
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The media will depict it as Enda's downfall as if that was going to change anything! Same with the health service - every single Minister who has had that portfolio going back at least 20 years has been vilified - as if they personally had power to change the institution.


Ah here, you can't be expecting the media to grapple with and understand the issues on everything. that takes way too much time and effort. Isn't it enough for them to ask smart alec questions about whether parties will go into government with other parties and then tell us its all about Dail arithmetic and ministerial mercs?


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:57 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:49 pm 
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Tom Clonan's account of his experience as a whistleblower is well worth listening to.

https://www.todayfm.com//The-Last-Word- ... 26%2339%3B

The pattern continues.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:04 pm 
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Clare Daly and Mick Wallace once again showing that they are among the two best TDs in the Dail.


Shows the influence some determined independents/political mainstream outsiders can have. Even if you don't agree with their general politics


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:18 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:59 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:12 am 
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Three Quarks wrote:
FG senior figures are cripplingly afraid to shaft Enda. At some point soon, this crisis actively requires one of them to seize the day, call on Enda to go, and take the initiative. The reward is great: Taoiseach, a bounce in the polls, a justifiable redrafting of the terms of government to give FG the whip hand. Which brings me to:

Who is in the background guiding FG policy at present? Where are the fabled handlers? Whoever it is hasn't the brains of a hen: allowing FF to draft the terms of reference "overnight"; enabling Jim O' Callaghan (of all the amadáns in all the world to be beholden to!) call the MoJ a liar; allowing minor functionaries (Boxer Moran, FFS) to call the shots.

This is no longer an act of usurpation; this is The National Interest.
King Varad needs to start impaling...


You're dreaming
The terms of government will not be redrafted. Why would you think this seriously ? The numbers dont allow it. Whip hand ?

It's not a matter of calling the MoJ a liar. The MoJ IS a liar ! No one in FG "enabled it"

Boxer Moran isn't a "minor functionary". He's a vote to be managed along with the other independents. FG's attitude to the independents is to brief against them to the Irish Times in the hope it shames them. That's just slimey

Varadkar would be like Albert replacing Charlie. He won't manage the independents or FF and there'll be a quick election. Which is exactly what FG are tonight claiming isn't in The National Interest.


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