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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:50 am 
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FFS Coles your position is using Una's sexuality to try to create issues.

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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:44 am 
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I think it's great to see Coles doing a complete 180 from posting ad hominem insults on the Pin to defending the victims. Makes me feel happier about posting here.

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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:48 am 
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I don't engage in ad hominem stuff. It takes from the forum. If anyone wants to engage with me on the topics then fire ahead.


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:52 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
I don't engage in ad hominem stuff.

The "sneer and jeer brigade" will be surprised to hear that. :)

Anyway, we were talking about sloppy journalism. Are we out of examples?


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:58 am 
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Barney Gumble wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
I don't engage in ad hominem stuff.

The "sneer and jeer brigade" will be surprised to hear that. :)
You need to blame Gene Kerrigan for that one.


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:27 pm 
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Una Mullally: "Why the abortion strike will succeed"
Strike 4 Repeal’s planned action will inspire movement against the Eighth Amendment

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-m ... -1.2955661


Take a day off work to strike, and hope you job is still there when you get back

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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:48 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
I don't report many posts but in this case I don't really have any option. Contributors need to remember that it's not acceptable to make reference to private individuals or other contributors in terms of their sexual orientation or preference.

Also I think it's worth reminding ourselves of the rules of this forum. They exist for good reason.

Kindness is a virtue and the kindness of strangers is virtue in motion.


Perhaps there is a need for a Things We Did Not Know Last Week thread.

That is the difference between you and me. I do not complain about posts. I do not need to run to a virtual mammy if I do not like what people write.

Who would have thought that a person who responds with sneering and personal comments with a hair-trgger alacrity is himself such a delicate flower who has such a princess-and-the-pea sensibility?


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:54 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
It seems an odd thing to have to apologise for...journalist v journalist wise especially. It was hardly libellous though something must have come into Newstalk on legal headed paper for him to say that


Or alternatively, he realised in the cold light of day that it made him look kind of stupid. Though if Hook apologised for everything he said that made him look stupid, it'd take up most of his show.

Can't see how it could possibly be seen as libellous, though. Just very unprofessional for anyone who calls themselves a journalist.


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:22 pm 
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Worstpigeon wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
It seems an odd thing to have to apologise for...journalist v journalist wise especially. It was hardly libellous though something must have come into Newstalk on legal headed paper for him to say that


Or alternatively, he realised in the cold light of day that it made him look kind of stupid. Though if Hook apologised for everything he said that made him look stupid, it'd take up most of his show.

Can't see how it could possibly be seen as libellous, though. Just very unprofessional for anyone who calls themselves a journalist.

The apology sounded like it was being read ouy by Hook from something smone else prepared. It sounded like 1 of those apoologies your hear when a libel letter has arrived in to the Editor.
Definitely not an off the cuff effort


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:27 am 
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Average Irish rent rises by €134 a month, says report

The average cost of renting a home in the Republic has increased by €134 a month over the last year,

What he means of course is that the monthly cost of renting a home has increased by €134 over the last year. I'm not sure which is worse, Conor Pope's sloppy drafting or the sub-editors who put up with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:33 pm 
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More bad math in the Irish Times:

"A sperm is not a human being, an ovum is not a human being. Together they do not make up a human being. They become an embryo with a very risky future. Studies indicate that up to 50 per cent of embryos are lost before implantation, and of the remainder up to 20 per cent are lost in miscarriages.

In other words as many as 70 per cent of embryos may never make it."


http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/it-is ... -1.3181476


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:47 pm 
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More bad math in the Irish Times

And even worse science.

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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:23 pm 
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environ ... -1.3201296

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Households should be paid for their solar energy – report
Expert Joseph Curtin says ‘overdue incentives’ should apply to small producers


Kevin O'Sullivan - disastrous editor of the IT - now merely a hack really loves to describe people who agree with him as experts

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The Government’s long-awaited move to incentivise the scaling-up of solar energy development in Ireland should not exclude individuals and small businesses who wish to avail of an opportunity to reduce their energy costs by installing rooftop panels.

That is among the recommendations of a report by the climate expert Joseph Curtin published today.

The report was commissioned by Friends of the Earth, which is concerned the incentive scheme due to be announced shortly by Department of the Environment “may not cover micro/rooftop installations, and may not adequately address barriers to citizen participation” in solar panel deployment.


Joseph Curtin is not a climate scientist. He has a Masters in in Political Economy from the LSE and manages not to bother himself much about economics either. Nowhere in the article is there a discussion of Ireland's lack of sun (available when there is least demand for it) or the rather poor economics behind it. No consideration that other renewables might be more efficient or more suitable for Ireland. The usual demands for Government "incentives" and if you're again' it then you're a climate change denying luddite

It's pure preaching to the choir stuff - just a Friends of the Earth press release


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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:48 am 
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Maybe sloppy readers instead of journos in this case, although the story itself sounds makey-uppy. On the BBC's "Most Read" just now, ahead of catastrophic Hurricane Irma:

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 Post subject: Re: Sloppy sloppy journalism
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:37 am 
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Some people will write any old crap.


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