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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:06 pm 
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Then, in his first public defence of what he admitted was “huge” spending, amounting to €736,000 on Console’s credit cards between 2012 and 2014, Kelly insisted: “Not a cent of that was for my own personal use.”

On grocery spending of €24,960 in this period, he told us: “We’d be using them for the organisation. Groceries would be cleaning utensils, it could be tea, coffee, literally right across the board to cleaning materials.

“We had centres all over the country – they weren’t for my own personal use.

On restaurant expenses of €32,900 over the three years, he said: “It wasn’t wrongful spending.

“There were situations where you would be entertaining people and you would try to be attracting new donors to raise funds for the organisation – but it wasn’t personal.

Of travel expenses amounting to €71,460 for trips to Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore, Madrid, Barcelona, Rome, Tenerife, Nice, Paris, and London, he said: “When I was over there I was working and in all honesty that was what it was for – and there were times where you would take people out that you’d be working on to try and get them to come over here.

“The Console conferences in Ireland were not to be missed, we had wonderful conferences here.

“We had top experts from around the world who would come and, of course, you would be socialising with them and bringing them out.”

Addressing the spending of an eye-watering €8,377 of the charity’s cash on clothing from shops such as Ralph Lauren, Hugo Boss and Moss Brothers, Kelly said: “There were some purchases for staff who would attend functions and then there were some purchases and vouchers for raffles.

“I did not [spend Console money for my own personal use].”


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Jonathan Irwin stepping down as CEO of Jack and Jill Foundation. Not surprising after his bizarre performance on radio when he suggested that the Irish Navy should launch a military assault on Brazil for their temerity to apply their laws to his 'old pal' Pat Hickey.


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I think his use of charity funds to run for the senate was more of an issue.

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Mantissa wrote:
I think his use of charity funds to run for the senate was more of an issue.

It certainly stopped me donating.

edit: is there anyone left to donate to that is untainted?

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yoganmahew wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
I think his use of charity funds to run for the senate was more of an issue.

It certainly stopped me donating.

edit: is there anyone left to donate to that is untainted?


St. Vincent de Paul? Capuchin Day Centre?


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Mantissa wrote:
I think his use of charity funds to run for the senate was more of an issue.
More of an issue than invading Brazil?

His comments about Mick Wallace's appearance were also stupid.


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Evil_g wrote:
yoganmahew wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
I think his use of charity funds to run for the senate was more of an issue.

It certainly stopped me donating.

edit: is there anyone left to donate to that is untainted?


St. Vincent de Paul? Capuchin Day Centre?

Capuchin Day Centre is already on the list. I know a couple of the Caps and they're sound as a pound (even to this atheist :) ).
VDP, I have mixed feelings about - the feedback from people who donate their time isn't stellar.
The OSPCA are also on the list as again, I know a few of the people involved.
And MSF for overseas.
What I would like is some class of childrens charity, as being a parent turns you into a sap.

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yoganmahew wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
I think his use of charity funds to run for the senate was more of an issue.

It certainly stopped me donating.

edit: is there anyone left to donate to that is untainted?
Matheson? They have a children's charity, apparently. Does a lot of good work and doesn't even tell anyone about it. Just quietly works away making children poorer.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:18 am 
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yoganmahew wrote:
VDP, I have mixed feelings about - the feedback from people who donate their time isn't stellar.
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What I would like is some class of childrens charity, as being a parent turns you into a sap.

Volunteered with VdP too at one stage (over 10 years ago), and might have given similar feedback. However I saw nothing improper, and there's a lot of people doing good work.

If you want to donate kids-focussed, Sunshine House would be one option. I knew people who volunteered there for a week during summer, and they found it an incredibly positive experience.

Barretstown? Anything bad come out of there?


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Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
Barretstown? Anything bad come out of there?
I know some people who have benefited form the work of Barretstown and it's been a lifesaver.

I've become so disillusioned with the entire charity sector that I have come to the absolutely revolutionary conclusion that the State should do away with the need for them. If the problem has become so entrenched that it requires that establishment of a charity to deal with it then the State has failed.


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Coles2 wrote:
Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
Barretstown? Anything bad come out of there?
I know some people who have benefited form the work of Barretstown and it's been a lifesaver.

I've become so disillusioned with the entire charity sector that I have come to the absolutely revolutionary conclusion that the State should do away with the need for them. If the problem has become so entrenched that it requires that establishment of a charity to deal with it then the State has failed.

I agree, broadly.

Or if you have a charity, it should in most cases be organised as a project: i.e. beginning, middle, end; not an ongoing organisation.


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Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
Barretstown? Anything bad come out of there?
I know some people who have benefited form the work of Barretstown and it's been a lifesaver.

I've become so disillusioned with the entire charity sector that I have come to the absolutely revolutionary conclusion that the State should do away with the need for them. If the problem has become so entrenched that it requires that establishment of a charity to deal with it then the State has failed.

I agree, broadly.

Or if you have a charity, it should in most cases be organised as a project: i.e. beginning, middle, end; not an ongoing organisation.

The whole thing with charitable status needs to be looked at - that would open quite a religious can of worms though.

Support groups outside the state have their place and to some degree advocacy groups, though some of these are alarmingly large for the function they perform. Perhaps the ombudsman system would allow more of these to be directly state funded for the number of people required, but still at arms length from the state?

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yoganmahew wrote:
The whole thing with charitable status needs to be looked at - that would open quite a religious can of worms though.

Support groups outside the state have their place and to some degree advocacy groups, though some of these are alarmingly large for the function they perform. Perhaps the ombudsman system would allow more of these to be directly state funded for the number of people required, but still at arms length from the state?

And they tend to be set up with the assumption that their mission will continue forever "the poor will always be with us".

There was a good moment in one of Michael Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time stories. It's a completely post-scarcity civilisation, small number of essentially god-like individuals, who spend their time trying to impress each other or score points or the like without any real material concern (sort of like a Jeeves and Wooster type milieu).

One of the characters brings a woman to this time, from Victorian England, after falling in love. She complains that she feels she has no purpose, nothing to do. He asks what would she do in her own time, and she says she sometimes worked to help the poor. And his response, "I can make poor people for you, then you can help them as much as you like".


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Oliver Callan writing in today's IT claims that Eur 250m is spent on homelessness every year.
That's enough money to pay for 1,000 housing units

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More people work in homeless organisations than there are homeless people I've read. Such is Ireland


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