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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:45 pm 
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'Poppyism' is Fascism. Every year it gets more and more bizarre and stupid, but any effort to point that out could literally result in your murder. Have we reached 'peak poppy'. Not a chance.

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
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Coles2 wrote:
Coles2, 2015 wrote:
'Poppyism' is Fascism. Every year it gets more and more bizarre and stupid, but any effort to point that out could literally result in your murder. Have we reached 'peak poppy'. Not a chance.

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Good pic. It is a strange one


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:13 pm 
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Looks like a tomato.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:22 pm 
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It's a 5-year-old tomato though judging by the date on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:02 pm 
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Coles2 wrote:
Coles2, 2015 wrote:
'Poppyism' is Fascism. Every year it gets more and more bizarre and stupid, but any effort to point that out could literally result in your murder. Have we reached 'peak poppy'. Not a chance.

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So remembering the war dead is now fascism? The very same people who gave their lives to fight fascism.

Do you see the wearing of the easter lilly as fascism?

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:25 pm 
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Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
Good pic. It is a strange one
It's getting stranger every year.

How about this one?

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And yes, that is an OFFICIAL British Legion fundraising picture. That has nothing whatsoever to do with commemorating anyone and everything to do with pro-military propaganda.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:03 pm 
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Mossy_Heneberry wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
Coles2, 2015 wrote:
'Poppyism' is Fascism. Every year it gets more and more bizarre and stupid, but any effort to point that out could literally result in your murder. Have we reached 'peak poppy'. Not a chance.

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So remembering the war dead is now fascism? The very same people who gave their lives to fight fascism.

Do you see the wearing of the easter lilly as fascism?

That's not the point. If you want to wear a poppy that's fine and dandy.

The problem is that in the UK it has become practically mandatory. Anyone who doesn't adorn themselves with a poppy is instantly labelled as anti-British, hates the British troops, supports enemies of Britain etc. etc.

If you want to get ahead in British public life, without drawing controversy, there's no question that you'd have to wear the poppy without question. That's what has the troubling echoes of fascism.

Ask James McClean (who doesn't consider himself British AFAIK), who has legitimate and compelling reasons not to wear the poppy, how fair and even handed those who chose not to wear a poppy are treated.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:32 am 
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Mossy_Heneberry wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
Coles2, 2015 wrote:
'Poppyism' is Fascism. Every year it gets more and more bizarre and stupid, but any effort to point that out could literally result in your murder. Have we reached 'peak poppy'. Not a chance.

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So remembering the war dead is now fascism? The very same people who gave their lives to fight fascism.

Do you see the wearing of the easter lilly as fascism?

That's different :)


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:57 am 
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It's not the wearing of symbol that's troubling but the stifling social pressure and groupthink that goes with it.

Anti-poppyists think that wearing the poppy represents a sort of a moral rubber-stamping of stupid immoral wars.
Pro-poppyists think that wearing the poppy is apolitical and that the anti-poppyists are disrepecting the sacrifice of the war dead by politicising it.

To me the behaviour of both sides looks like a lot of shallow virtue signalling.

I don't personally like public displays of grief towards strangers but generally STFU as it's not a debate that ever ends well. Wear it or don't wear it, but don't be a dick about it either way.

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
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Pro-poppyists think that wearing the poppy is apolitical and that the anti-poppyists are disrepecting the sacrifice of the war dead by politicising it.
So the poppy is a non-political statement, but not wearing it IS a political statement? Interesting. I've never seen anyone actually admit that.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:01 am 
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Eschatologist wrote:
Wear it or don't wear it, but don't be a dick about it either way.


Amen to that!


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:32 pm 
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Walking around the english city streets I'd guesstimate I see roughly one in 30 people wearing a poppy.

Of closer to the 11th it will probably increase.

Actually the only criticism I've ever got from anyone for not wearing a poppy was on the 11/11 last year in Ireland when some local history nob was on their high horse about it being an Irish commemoration too. Undoubtedly the same nob was probably in full swoon of the easter lilly too.

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:36 pm 
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I lived in London for a number of years.
Found that those wearing poppies were mostly ex-servicemen or had a relation who died in one of the wars.
Most people don't wear them.
Complete non-issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:07 pm 
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Coles2 wrote:
Eschatologist wrote:
Pro-poppyists think that wearing the poppy is apolitical and that the anti-poppyists are disrepecting the sacrifice of the war dead by politicising it.
So the poppy is a non-political statement, but not wearing it IS a political statement? Interesting. I've never seen anyone actually admit that.

Read what I posted again. I wrote "by politicising it". I didn't define what "it" is. Maybe I should.

This is how these conversations go, in my experience. Typical scenario: someone goes round an office selling poppies for charity. An individual doesn't buy one.

Nigel (pro): you're not buying a poppy?
Polly (anti): no, I don't really believe in it.
Nigel: believe in what?
Polly: well, I think many of these wars were appalling and remembrance glorifies it a bit.
Nigel: this isn't about politics, this is about respecting the sacrifice of our blah blah blah.
Polly: well, WWI was a total clusterfuck from the start. Millions dead and for what? Then we impoverished the Germans and that sowed the seeds for the Nazis. And don't get my started on Iraq.
Nigel: Why are you making such a big deal of this? You should really STFU and show some respect. Why do you hate this country? Sacrifice duty veterans blah blah blah.

Sometimes the Nigels start the argument and sometimes the Pollys. It never ends well.

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn
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Walking around the english city streets I'd guesstimate I see roughly one in 30 people wearing a poppy.
mr_anderson wrote:
Most people don't wear them. Complete non-issue.

So then it would be fair to assume that only 1 in 30 Premiership footballers would wear a poppy? Only 1 in 30 MPs? 1 in 30 media personalities, journalists, reporters and 'celebrities'? Have you got a TV? :)

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Coles2 wrote:
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Pro-poppyists think that wearing the poppy is apolitical and that the anti-poppyists are disrepecting the sacrifice of the war dead by politicising it.
So the poppy is a non-political statement, but not wearing it IS a political statement? Interesting. I've never seen anyone actually admit that.

Read what I posted again. I wrote "by politicising it".
If a footballer chose not to wear a poppy on his shirt would his action be considered 'politicising it' and if so, why? :)


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