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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:34 pm 
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Does the RSA even track the number of pedestrians hurt by cyclists.

I don't know about stats on injuries, but I know of only one death.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analy ... 56300.html

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irrelevant to the discussion.

How is the relative lethality of different types of vehicles irrelevant to a discussion about speed limits imposed to reduce deaths and injuries from vehicles?

Cyclists who speed through pedestrian crossings are idiots. Hitting a pedestrian doesn't end well for anyone, least of all the cyclist.

http://www.thejournal.ie/phoenix-park-c ... 1-May2016/

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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:48 pm 
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I had a big long post with links but my computer ate it :evil:

15 of the 32 pedestrian deaths occurred on roads with 100kph speed limits

5 pedestrian deaths occurred in Dublin in 2015 according to RSA
According to google
- One man fell from a bridge on the M50
- One woman in her 70s was killed on Howth Road
- One man in his 80s died near airport
- One 16 year old was killed in Finglas

I can't find the 5th death. But this means a maximum of one pedestrian death in Dublin in 2015 was in the DCC area we are talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:17 am 
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In the US 35% of pedestrians killed in RTAs are drunk: http://freakonomics.com/2011/12/28/the- ... k-walking/

No comparable statistic for Ireland, AFAIK it's not compiled out of respect for families, but I'd say it's higher.


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:59 am 
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Eschatologist wrote:
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I can assure that in morning rush hour, as a pedestrian, cyclists are a greater threat to me than cars. Motorists at morning rush hour do things like blocking junctions and stopping in cycle lanes. Those are inconveniencing to other road users but it's not comparable to a cyclist swerving his way through crossing pedestrians.

Of the 32 pedestrians killed on Irish roads in 2015, how many were killed by cyclists?

Saying cyclists are more of a threat is a massive overstatement. It completely undermines what ever point you are trying to make

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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:09 am 
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@GameBlame thanks for the analysis.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 11:31 am 
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someone in the city council hates road users having an unimpeded journey through the city.

luas works on the busiest streets of dublin, what a joke

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 2:08 pm 
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Cyclists are a right menace in Galway and Dublin nowadays, especially to pedestrians. The amount of idiot cyclists about nowadays, with no lights or visibility aids on a wet winters night, is unreal.

They should get rid of that bloody tax break on bikes....which only benefits Eamon Ryan and his bicycle shop anyway, not society at large. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 2:11 pm 
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One of my favourite posts:

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Over €60m for the bridge , certain aspects of the work have been 'accounted for' <cough> 'elsewhere' .

The contractor ONLY GOT €27m . Calatrava maybe €1m . Where did the other €31.9m admitted to by the DDDA go to ??


We should call it the Burj Al Bertie seeing as it has a whiff of Aherniated Dyspepsia about it ...stranded as it is in a partially built concrete canyon.

Ultimately it connects nothing with precisely fuck all ....which is pretty much Berties entire legacy .



The Mackin Street bridge in the second of a pair. The story goes back further - to the James Joyce Memorial Bridge at Queen Street.

This little known, little used and very expensive bridge (and its sister bridge at Macken Street – see http://www.dublincity.ie/services/mackenbr2.htm) has an interesting story. It demonstrates Dublin City Council’s incompetence and arrogance.

The story started when Owen Keegan, the former well loved controller of traffic and now head of DLRCC - the man who put a bus lane down a road with no buses, decided that he wanted a monument to his own arrogance. He decided that he wanted a trophy bridge and selected the Spanish designer Santiago de Calatrava (a one trick pony in bridge building terms) to design a bridge that would match his ego. Note that he did not go to tender for the bridge design as building a bridge over the mighty Liffey at Blackhall Place is clearly well beyond the competence of any Irish architect. He used a procurement technique that allowed him select Santiago de Calatrava because of their unique ability, bypassing any normal tendering process.

Note that at this stage, Dublin City Council had a working budget of just over €5 million to build the bridge.

Naturally Santiago de Calatrava accepted the unnegotiated piece of work that fell into his lap. But because of the small size of the project, he looked to have Dublin City Council appoint a local representative to oversee his interests. After some rapid back-of-the-envelope calculations and addition of his substantial fee he also increased the budget to nearly €9 million. So far, €4 million extra for a bridge that the Army Engineering Corps could build in a few weeks for a fraction of the cost. The budget increase was accepted without discussion by the ever perceptive Owen Keegan.

Then Dublin City Council appointed Roughan & O'Donovan, Consulting Engineers of Arena House, Arena Road, Sandyford, Dublin 18 as the delegated Consulting Engineer (Santiago de Calatrava being the supposed actual Consulting Engineer as well as the Architect) for the project. Again, without any tender, selection process or negotiation.

The construction of the bridge proceeded. The bridge as designed by Santiago de Calatrava had significant design flaws. Incorrect site investigation was performed. Work done on steel had to be redone at very considerable expense

Irishenco were appointed as the construction contractor after a limited tender process. The company clearly lacked the competence to perform such a project

Professor A. Hamilton in a report states that the Bridge project had not been "well planned, constructed or administered". Some of the Professor’s conclusions are:

- Santiago de Calatrava

The bridge as it was designed by Santiago de Calatrava suffered from significant design defects including specifying incorrect welds and the incorrect type of steel. This all lead to considerable delay and additional expense. Santiago de Calatrava agreed to alter the steel specifications. This in effect was an admission that the original specifications were deficient.

The Architect was appointed without tender under the "artistic" exemption provided in Directive 92/50/EC (the "Public Services Contracts Directive"). In light of the flaws in design and specification, this must be queried, that is, in fact, "the contract [could] only be carried out by a particular contractor/service provider": Santiago de Calatrava.

- Roughan & O'Donovan

It is stated that the Architect - not Dublin City Council - appointed the Engineer and I acknowledge that Dublin City Council has no direct contractual relationship with the Engineer. They were appointed on the recommendation of Dublin City Council and as a result of a procurement process whereby only its name was provided by the City Council to Santiago de Calatrava.

Professor Hamilton is critical of the role of Roughan & O'Donovan role in the project and states that they did not perform their duties in the way expected of then in a project of this type. Roughan & O'Donovan clearly lacked the required skills.

- Irishenco

Professor Hamilton criticises the appointment of a single construction contractor to handle the varied aspects of this project. He says that few, if any, Irish general civil engineering construction contractors would be likely to possess the necessary skills. Irishenco lacked the necessary competencies to provide the services for which it was engaged.

Professor Hamilton is also extremely critical of the tender process and in particular, Dublin City Council's decision to award the tender on the basis of price alone. Irishenco tendered low - its bid was approximately half the price of the highest bid - and has, it would appear, sought to drive-up the contract price through project changes (an old tactic).

- Dublin City Council

Professor Hamilton states that Dublin City Council employees (that is, Owen Keegan, Tim Brick and others) did not understand the requirements of the project. Professor Hamilton states that at the time Dublin City Council lacked the necessary project management skills. No-one within the City Council had overall responsibility for the project. There was no clear division of responsibilty between the Engineer's functions and the role of the City Council . The Civic Office files are described as a mess. The site investigation work was inadequate, leading to delays and increased costs. The recommendation of a particular Irish firm of consulting engineers to Santiago de Calatrava is criticised as is the tender process for selecting Irishenco.

The end result of all this mess was that a project that had an initial budget of €5 million, an adequate amount for such a simple bridge costed nearly €12 million (the actual cost was concealed from the public) and was a year and a half late.

Finally, you may remember the following:

“Fears have emerged that Dublin's newest bridge across the Liffey may be extremely dangerous for children tempted to play on it. Dublin City Council said last night that, if necessary, it will amend the design of the new James Joyce Bridge after people expressed anxiety about children climbing on it. The council says it is monitoring the activities of children climbing and sliding on the bridge. The €8.4 million bridge was opened on Monday by the Lord Mayor of Dublin, Mr Dermot Lacey.”

(See http://www.irish-architecture.com/news/2003/000174.htm.)

A pathetic end to such a saga.

As an interesting aside, note that Tim Brick was the supposed Dublin City Council project manager for the project. This is the project that Professor Hamilton said was not managed at all. This is the same Tim Brick that is the supposed project manager for the Port Tunnel and the man who decided not to increase its height.

However all is clearly well now as Santiago de Calatrava is the designer for the now very late and unlike the JJMB actually needed bridge at Mackin Street. And to top it off, Dublin City Council introduced the College Green so-called bus gate before the Mackin Street bridge was opened, delays caused by their own arrogance and corruption.

There isn't a wall long enough to line the fuckers up against to shoot them.


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 3:10 pm 
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I was going to quote this post.

It mght be of interest that a paper issued a freedom of information request for Professor Hamilton's report quoted in this post. Keegan told them that no such report existed.

Remember Keegan's utterly incomprensible and useless traffic signage. It was just one more of his expensive and failed vanity projects. He is the reason why there are hundreds of bare metal poles at road juctions in Dublin.

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Remember the glossy expensive inserts in newspapers attempting to explain how the signs were supposed to operate.

The press release read:

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Dublin City Council is introducing a major new directional signage system for the city. The new system will make it easier for visitors and residents to find their way to and from major national routes and regional routes and to access parking in the city centre. The system will also help to redirect unnecessary through traffic away from the city centre. This will lead to a more pleasant centre city environment and complement the major environmental improvements currently underway.


The whole sign mess - design, construction and erection of signs, publicity and ultimate removal of signs - cost millions.

There is a litany of Keegan fuck-ups, all paid for by taxpayers and ratepayers. Their total cost probably runs now into hundreds of millions.

I loathe Owen Keegan. He characterises the essence of the public service: power and authority without accountability and responsibility. He makes expensive and stupid decisions that negatively impacts many others on a whim and for which he is never held account. He is vane, arrogant and ignorant.

He destroyed retail in Dun Laoghaire and now he wants to destroy retail in Dublin.


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 7:12 pm 
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Wow.

Dublin already some of the most slow-moving traffic and best road safety in the world.

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Is that right? 30kmph on the road leading to the east link bridge?

I live on a 30kmph road. It is very hard to keep to the speed limit.

For a city so in hate with cars you'd think he would have recommended to the Councillors to abolish the east link toll so that cars which had no business in town kept out of town.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/12 ... link-toll/

it seems they love money more than they hate cars.


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 7:29 pm 
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Completely bizarre...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.2653820

..."The limit will not be imposed on certain radial and orbital routes. An 80km/h speed will be permitted on just three roads – the Chapelizod bypass as far as the junction with Con Colbert Road; parts of the Santry bypass; and the Dublin Port Tunnel.

A 60km/h limit will be set on a number of other main roads, including the Stillorgan dual-carriageway, the Finglas bypass, the Malahide Road, Howth Road, Naas Road and Long Mile Road.

Periodic 30km/h limits will apply on some of these larger roads during school-run times.
The council’s traffic department said it determined the speed limits following consultation with the Garda and analysis of accident data and speed surveys."...

If that's right, then for whoever mentioned the Navan Road above (dual carriageway near Castlenock & beyond) it looks like drivers will be on a road which, off-peak seems like an 80 or 100 km/h road, but will have to try to stay under 30 or so.

Lots of cruise controls don't work for such low speeds. How much of the driver's concentration is going to be diverted onto their speedometer and away from the surreal experience of diving on a straight dual carriageway at near jogging pace?

Have I missed something?

This will apply on empty roads at 1am?


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 8:32 pm 
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Completely bizarre...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.2653820

..."The limit will not be imposed on certain radial and orbital routes. An 80km/h speed will be permitted on just three roads – the Chapelizod bypass as far as the junction with Con Colbert Road; parts of the Santry bypass; and the Dublin Port Tunnel.

A 60km/h limit will be set on a number of other main roads, including the Stillorgan dual-carriageway, the Finglas bypass, the Malahide Road, Howth Road, Naas Road and Long Mile Road.

Periodic 30km/h limits will apply on some of these larger roads during school-run times.
The council’s traffic department said it determined the speed limits following consultation with the Garda and analysis of accident data and speed surveys."...

If that's right, then for whoever mentioned the Navan Road above (dual carriageway near Castlenock & beyond) it looks like drivers will be on a road which, off-peak seems like an 80 or 100 km/h road, but will have to try to stay under 30 or so.

Lots of cruise controls don't work for such low speeds. How much of the driver's concentration is going to be diverted onto their speedometer and away from the surreal experience of diving on a straight dual carriageway at near jogging pace?

Have I missed something?

This will apply on empty roads at 1am?


Yes, but the brilliant part is that within a few weeks all drivers in Dublin will have accrued 12 penalty points and thus not be allowed to drive any more AT ALL. A brilliant plan, I'm sure you'll agree.


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 8:34 pm 
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Strangely enough an empty road with a high speed limit at night is exactly where a cyclist or pedestrian is likely to lose their life. Perhaps because they don't have a light or are drunk.

Fast moving traffic is scary for cyclist commuters. I can't help wondering if this move is to make Owen Keegan's own cycle commute less scary. Is he losing his nerve on two wheels?


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 Post subject: Re: Owen Keegan's Brainwaves Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 8:41 pm 
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TBH I'd say this fucktard is just on a power trip. As CM noted, unaccountable...

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In a letter to the President and CEO of US-based company Covanta, Anthony Orlando, on September 10 last, Mr Keegan said a lack of political support for the incinerator should pose no threat to it going ahead.

Dublin Waste to Energy is a public-private partnership between the four Dublin local authorities and the US firm.

The correspondence came after a special city council meeting called by Mr Keegan where 50 of 52 members voted against the incinerator proceeding.

In response to concerns raised by Mr Orlando following the vote, Mr Keegan said he took the “initiative” and asked the Lord Mayor to call the special meeting.

He claimed that doing so “undoubtedly” gave him “greater control over the process and especially over the release of information”.

The letter outlined how a number of factors contributed to the no vote but he stressed the overall decision on Poolbeg did not lie with elected members.

“The decision to proceed with the project is legally a matter for the four Dublin local authority Chief Executives (CE),” he said.

“Paradoxically, the fact that it is a decision for the CEs creates a situation where elected members can respond favourably to the relatively small number of local objectors.


“I appreciate how someone unfamiliar with the Irish local government process might view the developments with some concern,” he wrote to Covanta’s Mr Orlando.


http://www.sundayworld.com/news/council ... gnore-vote

And if you think that is bad, look at his shoes...

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 12:51 am 
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Cyclists are a total menace. My OH nearly killed a :nin cyclist last night. All in black, no lights, no reflectors totally pissed. Needless to say if he had hit the :nin he would be facing prosecution.


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