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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:30 pm 
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Mr. Parmentier, thanks for your research and posts. You should take a look North of the Liffey. Also in and around Camden street, Portobello.

Here's an old project, https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... k&hl=en_US
I'm sure there's more websites similar, out there.

I think your electricity connection numbers may be skewed by the blocks of apartments Southside and around the quays, Docklands, that lay unoccupied for years, that would have had to get connected to the mains on occupation - years after fit and finish.

In more regional areas a lot of the vacant and derelict properties are in the possession of the councils.

It seems that there's no shortage of housing, just a shortage of housing on the market. The property tax could be extended to penalise owners of unoccupied housing, without going all out communist/full civil purchase order.

I can't see the motivation for the banks to loan out money to bring more residential property to spec, considering their current exposure to residential and commercial property.

I'm with you on not believing the figures. The error margins are off the chart as it were. As the taxpayer owns a lot of the banking industry that could be levered to get a more accurate picture of vacant and derelict properties.


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:47 am 
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A lot of the DCC vacancies are part of the interminable problem of re-developing flats complexes I would think.

O'Devaney Gardens and St Teresa's Gardens are largely empty I believe.

Otherwise there is some tenative evidence here that the airbnb effect may be at play in certain CC locations: https://irelandafternama.wordpress.com/ ... ry-census/

Despite the pieties of Frank McDonald on the issue, this is unlikely to involved more than a few hundred units.


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:03 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
Census provides more proof is that there is ZERO shortage of housing nationwide.

There are instead hyper-regional shortages.

You can easily house a family in most of Ireland (by area) for €150k.

It might be culturally dead, have poor employment prospects and not-so-nice neighbours but there is no shortage per we.

Years ago I suggested that it wasn't the lack of repossessions in urban areas that was "breaking" the market, it was the lack of repos in rural areas. By artificially putting a floor in the market of outer commutersville, the substitution effect got broken because there was no point in moving out of urban areas in search of better value.

You might pay through the nose and be a schmuck buying in Dublin but at least you don't spend 3 hours a day in a car, like the lad living in Gorey.

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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:25 pm 
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Housing turnover is actually down year on year!
http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-geodir ... 9-Aug2016/
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IRELAND’S PROPERTY MARKET is getting more and more abnormal according to new figures which show that fewer houses are being bought.
The stats from Geodirectory combine their own database with figures from Census 2016 and also show the effect Dublin has on house prices and the number of properties being sold.
The report by the property database says that in the last year, the percentage property transactions have decreased and brought the market further away from where it should be
“One key statistic which the report highlighted was that the national average housing turnover rate in the year to June 2016 was 2.1%, which was slightly down from 2.2% last year and is still well below what would be deemed to be a more normal housing turnover rate of around 4-5%,” said Annette Hughes of DKM Economic Consultants....
...Leitrim had the highest vacancy rate at 29.5%, followed closely by Donegal with 28.2%.
The database recorded a total of 2,015,260 residential homes across the country with detached houses being the most common.
Apartments make up 9% of the number of dwellings nationwide.


Here is the IT's take on the same report from GeoDirectory
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/econ ... -1.2750232
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Where can you buy a house for less than €100,000?
Survey points to ‘three-tier’ property market with rural counties Leitrim and Longford left behind by house price recovery

Gotta love the language used. 'Left behind' 'recovery'!!!!
Tomorrow they'll have Kitty Holland telling us how high prices are forcing families to sleep in trees!


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:35 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
Here is the IT's take on the same report from GeoDirectory
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/econ ... -1.2750232
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Where can you buy a house for less than €100,000?
Survey points to ‘three-tier’ property market with rural counties Leitrim and Longford left behind by house price recovery

Gotta love the language used. 'Left behind' 'recovery'!!!!
Tomorrow they'll have Kitty Holland telling us how high prices are forcing families to sleep in trees!


Yes I was able to buy a house without beggaring myself to the banks for 30 years. I feel so left behind.

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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:11 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
Housing turnover is actually down year on year!
http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-geodir ... 9-Aug2016/
Quote:
IRELAND’S PROPERTY MARKET is getting more and more abnormal according to new figures which show that fewer houses are being bought.
The stats from Geodirectory combine their own database with figures from Census 2016 and also show the effect Dublin has on house prices and the number of properties being sold.
The report by the property database says that in the last year, the percentage property transactions have decreased and brought the market further away from where it should be
“One key statistic which the report highlighted was that the national average housing turnover rate in the year to June 2016 was 2.1%, which was slightly down from 2.2% last year and is still well below what would be deemed to be a more normal housing turnover rate of around 4-5%,” said Annette Hughes of DKM Economic Consultants....
...Leitrim had the highest vacancy rate at 29.5%, followed closely by Donegal with 28.2%.
The database recorded a total of 2,015,260 residential homes across the country with detached houses being the most common.
Apartments make up 9% of the number of dwellings nationwide.


Here is the IT's take on the same report from GeoDirectory
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/econ ... -1.2750232
Quote:
Where can you buy a house for less than €100,000?
Survey points to ‘three-tier’ property market with rural counties Leitrim and Longford left behind by house price recovery

Gotta love the language used. 'Left behind' 'recovery'!!!!
Tomorrow they'll have Kitty Holland telling us how high prices are forcing families to sleep in trees!


the Journal comments are a fountain of stupidity as usual

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increase property tax on vacant homes? nah

abolish non existant CGT on PPRs with one or two people in them just so it might entice empty nesters to sell up

why would dropping CGT entice anyone to sell if you believe you'll get more next year


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:43 pm 
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Is there anywhere in the world that does have a proper functioning housing market? Years ago I would have said Germany, but it seems that last bastion of sense has caved to the ravages of a property bubble also :(


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:02 am 
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Maybe it is your perception of what a proper market looks like that is off kilter

After all self interest has been know to cloud ones judgement :)


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:35 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:42 am 
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An interesting resource, but somewhat incomplete.

http://www.dublininquirer.com/2016/12/0 ... in-mapped/


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:18 pm 
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Census2016 recorded 3000 vacant homes in Galway City.
Yet AnPost's Geodirectory records only 300 homes, based on postmen recording inhabited addresses

I'm more inclined to believe Geodirectory figures are closer to the true figure.
http://connachttribune.ie/city-council- ... homes-300/


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:03 pm 
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Geo directory and census are different concepts for different purposes.
For example some one who has gone into a nursing home. Vacant in census. Occupied in directory
Houses empty at that point and for sale. Vacant in census. Not in geo. I was away travelling for a long period. Vacant for cso. (No answer neighbours knew I was away. Not vacant for geo. The name remained the same and postman would not have noticed any change.


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 Post subject: Re: Report estimates there are almost 250,000 vacant propert
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:04 pm 
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Neither are the ' true figure as such just different measures


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