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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 10:03 am 
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croquette wrote:
Sharing clothes washing facilities means:

1. Having to haul heavy bags of laundry and detergent around a building;
2. Having to hope that there is a machine available or change your plans and haul all your dirty laundry back to your flat only to try again later meaning your morning/evening is ruined and needs re-planning;
3. Having to use machines that likely stink;
4. Having to use machines that have stranger's pubic hair in them;
5. Having to use machines that have bits of tissues in them;
6. Finding all your clothes are wrecked because a recent user put dye or bleach in the machine;
7. Having to stick your hands into another person's laundry because they didn't bother coming back on time to empty the machine;
8. Having to plan your entire morning/afternoon around the wash because you need to be there to empty the machines;
9. Finding your clothes have been flung on the ground because you didn't come back on time;

Nobody who has had to share laundry facilities would advocate for it. It is dismal.

Having a place in the basement for your own machines is the best solution as it does not preclude keeping the machines in your flat, if you prefer.


The solution is two-fold for nos 4 and 7 at least - buy some rubber gloves, realise that the stranger's pubic hair and clothes have just been washed and may not have been any dirtier than your own to start with anyway. With regard to inconsiderate people using dye/ bleach or not taking clothes out on time, some ground-rules and Germanic intolerance of those who break them would soon sort that out in the vast majority of cases. Use cctv and/or machines that require a PIN to operate so that people who break the rules can be identified. A signing sheet on the wall so anyone with clothes in the machine has to put their name down and the time they put their load on. It would take getting used to and there might be a few breakers of the rules but I don't think it's impossible to make it work.


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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:11 am 
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taipeir wrote:
...Some folks get the launderette or dry cleaners to do everything, you can even drop your stuff in 7-11 and then collect it again the next day or two. Maybe you can do 'airlaundry', something catchy like 'dirtyknickers.com' 8DD There's money to be made in laundry!


There were a couple of lads on Dragons' Den the other night (think they were called Sproose?) claiming to be "the Uber of laundry" in that they pick up your bags of washing from your home or workplace and drop it back two days later, washed and I think, ironed. Think it was €20 for an 8kg? bag. Great if you're mad busy and have the cash to burn, but does it really take that long to bung some washing in the machine at night and stick it up on the line/clothes horse/bung it in the dryer the next morning?

Every apartment I've lived in had a washer/dryer and between that and a clothes horse (which admittedly are a pain and unsightly) there was never any need to look elsewhere for laundry services.


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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 12:02 pm 
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Time is money, to be honest it's a very common service worldwide already. There's even a crowd in the US that keep your clothes in a central warehouse and deliver it all pressed and packed to the next hotel you are staying at, and they take your dirty clothes back.


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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 1:45 pm 
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pm1977 wrote:
taipeir wrote:
...Some folks get the launderette or dry cleaners to do everything, you can even drop your stuff in 7-11 and then collect it again the next day or two. Maybe you can do 'airlaundry', something catchy like 'dirtyknickers.com' 8DD There's money to be made in laundry!


There were a couple of lads on Dragons' Den the other night (think they were called Sproose?) claiming to be "the Uber of laundry" in that they pick up your bags of washing from your home or workplace and drop it back two days later, washed and I think, ironed. Think it was €20 for an 8kg? bag. Great if you're mad busy and have the cash to burn, but does it really take that long to bung some washing in the machine at night and stick it up on the line/clothes horse/bung it in the dryer the next morning?

Every apartment I've lived in had a washer/dryer and between that and a clothes horse (which admittedly are a pain and unsightly) there was never any need to look elsewhere for laundry services.


laundr.ie already do it. Yet another marketplace app. Calling yourself "the Uber of ___" at a pitch is instant death these days.

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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:17 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
Makes sense re shared laundry facilities in apartment blocks. Happens in other countries.


Have you ever used a laundrette? They are disgusting. Sharing laundry facilities is real bottom of the ladder stuff (even if it happens in other countries). It's not something to inflict on people.

That said, I am used to the concept of each apartment having its own space in the basement for its own washer and dryer.

That seems very wasteful.


Yeah maybe we should have shared bathrooms and shower facilities too. What else could we share? Seems wasteful to have so many cookers too, we could have time slots and sign in and out :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:12 am 
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http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/lette ... -1.2667412

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– Una Mullally does not mention that just a few short years ago it was many of these same renters who were taking full advantage of the laws of supply and demand and driving rents down by 30 per cent or more. Many landlords went to the wall at that time without the advocacy powers your columnist appears to think they possess, and no cry of sympathy went up for them at that time. On the contrary, they were portrayed as victims of their own greed, as opposed to legitimate investors who got their timing badly wrong.

Much of today’s housing problem has been caused because landlords are exiting the market in huge numbers – a telling and poignant verdict on the current unattractive nature of the rental market as an investment opportunity.
As long as current taxation laws make it possible to incur a tax liability on a loss-making property, there is no great incentive for investors to return to the sector.

This is a great pity as, in a properly regulated market where renters are entitled to rights, respect and value, the Government’s potential partners in solving the housing crisis have been chased out by high taxation and ill-informed commentary.
– Yours, etc,

GEOFF SCARGILL,
Bray,
Co Wicklow.


g'wan the Geoff :D


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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:01 am 
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slasher wrote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/tenants-landlords-and-rent-reform-1.2667412

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– Una Mullally does not mention that just a few short years ago it was many of these same renters who were taking full advantage of the laws of supply and demand and driving rents down by 30 per cent or more. Many landlords went to the wall at that time without the advocacy powers your columnist appears to think they possess, and no cry of sympathy went up for them at that time. On the contrary, they were portrayed as victims of their own greed, as opposed to legitimate investors who got their timing badly wrong.

Much of today’s housing problem has been caused because landlords are exiting the market in huge numbers – a telling and poignant verdict on the current unattractive nature of the rental market as an investment opportunity.
As long as current taxation laws make it possible to incur a tax liability on a loss-making property, there is no great incentive for investors to return to the sector.

This is a great pity as, in a properly regulated market where renters are entitled to rights, respect and value, the Government’s potential partners in solving the housing crisis have been chased out by high taxation and ill-informed commentary.
– Yours, etc,

GEOFF SCARGILL,
Bray,
Co Wicklow.


g'wan the Geoff :D


Still hasn't ditched his underwater BTL's then by the sounds of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:17 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:28 am 
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Link rents to CPI:

Here is the annual inflation/deflation since 2000

2000: 6.0%
2001: 4.1%
2002: 5.1%
2003: 2.0%
2004: 2.5%
2005: 2.5%
2006: 4.9%
2007: 4.7%
2008: 1.1%
2009: -5.0%
2010: 1.3%
2011: 2.5%
2012: 1.2%
2013: 0.2%
2014: -0.3%
2015: 0.1%

So someone paying 500 end of 1999 would be paying 688 end of 2015 (ignoring change from IR£ to €)

Revoke eviction for purpose of sale:

This certainly would stop accidental landlords and remove supply further. But you could argue we move to companies who own more property and see long term rent yields as their profit not capital appreciation.

Indefinite lease terms:

Same as pt 2


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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:49 am 
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I'm sure they meant link rent falls/rises to CPI.

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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:54 pm 
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More Renters Arse than Renters Arise.

Just dogmatic, populist nonsensical left-wing flypaper designed to catch idiots. These are trojan horse policies seeking to get unachievable and expensive left-wing policies implemented by stealth.

Indefinite lease terms - by this they mean for tenants only and not landlords, where tenants can effectively choose the duration of their lease term without having to make any commitment but landlords cannot ask for lease certainty or charge penalties or recover costs for early lease termination.

If a rental property is being sold, are they proposing that the tenant(s) has a permanent right to occupy the property unless they, the tenant(s) decide to leave? That would just give rise to blackmail.

Indefinite lease terms would also lead to illegal subletting.

If rents had been linked to CPI then the substantial decreases that occurred from 2008 onwards would not have happened? Are these renters willing to pay back the savings they achieved then for rent certainty now and in the future?

If rents in Cork has tracked the CPI from 2007 onwards when rents started to drop, renters would be paying on average about what they are paying now and would have paid an average 12.5% more in the interval 2007 to 2016.

This shows average rents in Cork as published by the RTB (PRTB Average Monthly Rent Report (Euro) by Location, Quarter, Property Type and Number of Bedrooms - http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire ... Language=0), Consumer Price Index values for the same interval and expected rents if they were allowed to track CPI.

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Average Cork rents are still 10% less than they were in 2007 as reported by the RTB.

What about landlord costs linked to CPI – reduction in mortgage interest relief to 75% after April 2009, PRSI and USC on gross amount of rent received before deductions for costs and property tax? The more rents increase the more tax is paid on the gross rent. So even though average rents in Cork are still lower than 2007, the average return for a landlord is around 25% less than 2007 with the balance going in taxes.

So rather than propose actions that would increase supply and thus increase competition and quality, this bunch of morons are proposing policies that would achieve the exact opposite.

Welcome to the Post-Reason, Post-Rational world.


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 Post subject: Re: Time for renters to make themselves heard
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:36 pm 
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@ChickenParmentier: Mostly I do agree with you on all that, however with stories starting to filter out about landlords demanding 40% rent increases (off levels that, 24 months ago, were already near historic highs), my resolve is crumbling a little.

Sure, the issues you're talking about above are very real, and I don't claim otherwise. In the short term, what does the little guy (eg me) do when we get a notice of already borderline affordable rent increasing by 40%? Are those problems you've outlined really worse than that? And for whom?

I'm not actively supporting them, but it's hard not to see them as an improvement on the status quo in the short term. Even though I know that's being penny wise and pound foolish.


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