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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:51 pm 
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We can't sustain this for long.

I came here at the end of last big wave of "no one from unemployed want to take jobs so let get 300k immigrants in". It did not work very well for Ireland at the end.
What is really worrying is now we have: higher cost of living, lower wages, huge amount of debt and way more unemployed than before.


Its not about 300k taking jobs from the perma-unemployed. there's another 300k to come in put downward pressure on wages of those who made lives here.

I've lost track, are the Croats undercutting the Romanians, or are the Romanians still undercutting everyone? or has that gone to the Brazilians and the Chinese?

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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:42 am 
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Mantissa wrote:
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It's pretty bad when a country with 16% unemployment can't get locals to do entry-level jobs.


I presume you are referring to Croatia? (17% unemployment)


Ireland. Real unemployment rate including those on activation programmes (I may be slightly off but I think it's at 16% from the unemployment thread)


No it's not.

The actual unemployment rate - consistently compiled from country to country - in Ireland is now below 8%.

You can get a higher measure of unemployment if you include part-time workers who would like to work more hours: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics ... employment).png

But you can do this with every country.


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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:54 am 
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Mantissa wrote:
mightyz wrote:
I came here at the end of last big wave of "no one from unemployed want to take jobs so let get 300k immigrants in". It did not work very well for Ireland at the end.

I don't agree. There's a generation of children who are far more good-looking because of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:25 am 
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Bubblecovery wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
mightyz wrote:
I came here at the end of last big wave of "no one from unemployed want to take jobs so let get 300k immigrants in". It did not work very well for Ireland at the end.

I don't agree. There's a generation of children who are far more good-looking because of it.


Anti-Irish self loathing.

But I'm not Irish :-D

I'm one of the dirty immigrants you hear so much about on the Pin.

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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:34 am 
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Mantissa wrote:
Bubblecovery wrote:
Anti-Irish self loathing.

But I'm not Irish :-D


Doesn't that make it worse?


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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
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tinneym wrote:
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Anti-Irish self loathing.

But I'm not Irish :-D


Doesn't that make it worse?

Just one more reason to hate on us immigrants.

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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:56 am 
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Mantissa wrote:
I'm one of the dirty immigrants you hear so much about on the Pin.

I prefer to think of us as a panel of international experts promoting best practice in the gene pool.

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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:07 pm 
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Mantissa wrote:
tinneym wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
Bubblecovery wrote:
Anti-Irish self loathing.

But I'm not Irish :-D


Doesn't that make it worse?

Just one more reason to hate on us immigrants.


You think you have it bad? I'm a Northside Dubliner living on the Southside! (We're the blacks of Dublin - according to Roddy Doyle in The Commitments.)


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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:43 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
Skippy 3 wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
It's pretty bad when a country with 16% unemployment can't get locals to do entry-level jobs.


I presume you are referring to Croatia? (17% unemployment)


Ireland. Real unemployment rate including those on activation programmes (I may be slightly off but I think it's at 16% from the unemployment thread)


No it's not.

The actual unemployment rate - consistently compiled from country to country - in Ireland is now below 8%.

You can get a higher measure of unemployment if you include part-time workers who would like to work more hours: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics ... employment).png

But you can do this with every country.


The broad unemployment rate includes people on activation schemes and was at 18% in February. Here's a good explanation: http://www.finfacts.ie/Irish_finance_ne ... -at-18-512

I believe it's down to "only" 16% now.

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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:51 pm 
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Thing Fish wrote:
mightyz wrote:
We can't sustain this for long.

I came here at the end of last big wave of "no one from unemployed want to take jobs so let get 300k immigrants in". It did not work very well for Ireland at the end.
What is really worrying is now we have: higher cost of living, lower wages, huge amount of debt and way more unemployed than before.


Its not about 300k taking jobs from the perma-unemployed. there's another 300k to come in put downward pressure on wages of those who made lives here.

I've lost track, are the Croats undercutting the Romanians, or are the Romanians still undercutting everyone? or has that gone to the Brazilians and the Chinese?



I guess brazillians due to their visa status.

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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:15 am 
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Mantissa wrote:
The broad unemployment rate includes people on activation schemes and was at 18% in February. Here's a good explanation: http://www.finfacts.ie/Irish_finance_ne ... -at-18-512

I believe it's down to "only" 16% now.


This number includes people in full-time training and people in part-time work.

How are you supposed to take up a warehouse job with Musgrave's if you:

a) are doing another job 30 hours per week?
b) are in full-time education?

There is still a fair bit of slack in the labour market and lots of dubious activiation. But to argue that one in six of the labour force is available for full-time work tomorrow morning is ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:20 am 
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With regard to activation schemes, there's a lot of people on them who never managed to find work during the boom, Job Initiative for example, pays more than an entry level government job, and it's not uncommon to see people who've been on it for 15 years. I'm not sure if you can count someone like that as unemployed. The scheme closed in 2004 and you had to have been unemployed for 5 years before starting. So no one on that scheme has worked this century...


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 Post subject: Re: Musgrave is recruiting abroad... again.
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