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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:31 pm 
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@GaneBlame. Start here. The Citizens Information service is a good source.

Social Housing is more relevant now than ever before. You might have an ideological difficulty with it but you haven't proposed a workable alternative?


You know that
1 the overwhelming majority of properties built in the last 20 years have been private
2 there has been sustained sell off of council houses to their tenants (at undervalue) for the last 40 years.

But social housing is "more relevant than ever" ? (And I'm the ideological one?)
When it's clearly less relevant than at any time since the 1920s
Just wait til you find out about the housing crisis and the homelessness issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:00 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:

How would this work? Have two housing lists, one for working people and the other for the unemployed, and don't house anyone from the second list until the first list is empty?



One housing list.
Those that work get bumped up above those that don't.


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:39 pm 
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It is quite difficult to reconcile:

a) The need of a small segment of the native population for subsidised housing with security of tenure
b) An essentially infinite pool of global labour who will come to Ireland to work for low wages, and need housing too

The rubber hits the road when non-employed members of group a) want to live in the same place as lots of employed members of group b), with housing in fixed supply.

It pretty much accurately describes the rental market in urban Ireland (but not large tracts of the rest of the country) today.


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:11 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
It is quite difficult to reconcile:

a) The need of a small segment of the native population for subsidised housing with security of tenure
b) An essentially infinite pool of global labour who will come to Ireland to work for low wages, and need housing too

The rubber hits the road when non-employed members of group a) want to live in the same place as lots of employed members of group b), with housing in fixed supply.

It pretty much accurately describes the rental market in urban Ireland (but not large tracts of the rest of the country) today.


Ah now don't be saying that. It's exactly like it was when we were kids. Nothing has changed. I just bought a ten penny mix for eight pence


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:17 pm 
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From ex-pat bliss in Abu Dhabi mansion to Dublin homelessness
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-a ... -1.2904435
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Annette Tobin (64), originally from Howth, Co Dublin, once lived a mansion in Abu Dhabi with six bathrooms.
Following the death of her husband, Noel, last year she ended up homeless in Dublin.
Noel’s career as a specialist welder brought them to the Middle East, Congo and Nigeria over a 20-year period. They returned to Dublin in 1999, opting to rent privately.
In 2013 they moved into a“lovely two-bed apartment” in Killester for which they paid €1,200 a month. Though they had no private pension provision, they had savings and Noel continued working.
Early last year, however, he was diagnosed with a brain tumour. He died in August, aged 63.
“The money stopped,” says Annette. “We had savings, but by Easter this year I had to go. I was getting just the State pension.”
Asked whether she could get rent allowance, she says her landlord would not accept it and planned to increase the rent. “ My only option was to go homeless.”
She registered at the Dublin homeless person’s unit on Parkgate Street and applied for older person’s social housing.


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:48 pm 
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^what a life. so many angles to that.
The usual D'ollier street journalist leaves 10 questions unasked and unanswered


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:31 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
From ex-pat bliss in Abu Dhabi mansion to Dublin homelessness

Lived in UAE, paid no taxes, didn't save for retirement, and now blaming Irish tax payer for not be able to pay for free accommodation, oh dear.


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:20 am 
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My thoughts exactly! I just threw that story out there and left it to see what the comments were, to see if I was out of touch on this one.
The life of an ex-pat at the level they seem to have been at is a good one. They must have lived it to the max and saved sweet f a.

Or perhaps I'm becoming too cynical and they spent their cash on the cancer treatment etc? Becuase if the didn't have a pension of any sort, they probably didn't have health insurance either


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:42 am 
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Cancer costs, shares, leveraged property (foreign or Irish), company gone, 'I live for the day that's my motto' etc etc. You don't know because the article is typical Irish Times. Maybe they were scammed out of money by yer man who fake his kidnapping

What struck me was that granny was on the air bed. :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:13 am 
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Thing Fish wrote:
and now being indoctrinated in Trinity through their access program, which just turns out gatekeepers to keep the 'most vulnerable in society' in line, they all just join political parties afterwards. I don't see how this will be any different. "vote for me, I went to Trinity" :roll:
This is the most revealing contribution I have ever read on this forum.


from http://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-woman ... =shortlink

"Speaking to Ray D’Arcy earlier today, she said she had been encouraged to apply for the university’s access programme by Social Democrats councillor Gary Gannon."

who else is in politics after going through the access program?

Lynn ruane, and Carney Boud who was Dessie Ellis' running mate in Dublin North West in GE16

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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:14 am 
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I seem to remember changes to the lone parent allowance in the last couple of years mean that the applicants who are working any hours can't apply for a back to education allowance so as far as I know Erica couldn't take up the place in trinity.
So that's a win for someone I guess. Much better she stays in her job as a receptionist. her kid will be grown up in another few years anyways . In terms of how she has been treated having only one child and working has gone against her.


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:21 pm 
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What is wrong with people from disadvantaged groups going into professions (politics) that they would be otherwise miss out on?

Isn't this the whole point of access programmes???


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:29 am 
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Council tenants owe €65m in unpaid rent


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Arrears by social housing tenants have doubled in the last eight years, leaving councils owed a staggering €65m in unpaid rent.

But while thousands of households are under repeated default warnings every year, only a tiny number of cases are pursued to court and just a handful of evictions are sought as councils are also responsible for housing people if they become homeless.

A leading expert on housing policy says it may now be time to provide rent-free social housing in certain areas.

Dr Padraic Kenna of NUI Galway said a pilot scheme would be useful in evaluating the idea.

“There is an argument to say we should have zero rents in local authorities because the cost of implementing and the cost of collecting them and court fees is quite significant,” he said.

“It wouldn’t be popular because we tend to feel people should pay something but the economics of it make sense.

“You are dealing with people on such low incomes and the whole business of setting rents, collecting rents, administrating rents, recording rent arrears, chasing people for arrears, court actions — if you add it all up there’s very little gain at the end of the day.”


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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:05 am 
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^^ presumably the people defaulting derive a large proportion of their income from the State, so presumably that income is within reach.

AFAIK council rents are set at a rate that is deemed affordable by the tenant, so it's "won't pay" rather than "can't pay". It's bizarre that the risk of being chucked into emergency accommodation is no disincentive.

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 Post subject: Re: Councils legally obliged to house the deliberately homel
PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:54 am 
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Eschatologist wrote:
^^ presumably the people defaulting derive a large proportion of their income from the State, so presumably that income is within reach.

AFAIK council rents are set at a rate that is deemed affordable by the tenant, so it's "won't pay" rather than "can't pay". It's bizarre that the risk of being chucked into emergency accommodation is no disincentive.


You would think so, but this issue came up during the water charges debate.

Social welfare rates are very carefully calibrated so that family types are above various poverty thresholds.

Basically if you have mandatory deductions of rent arrears you tip low-income families into the 'poverty' space.

This is a big no-no for the Department of Social Protection, the co-operation of whom you need for any kind of mandatory deductions system.


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