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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:29 pm 
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He is going to build social houses for €70k each?


Maybe as part of the tax payer collective.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:18 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
He is going to build social houses for €70k each?

Yes but that figure apparently excludes land, labour, professional fees and any development levies payable i.e. It is the cost of raw materials


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:04 am 
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350k for 5 houses. Then the council is buying one back at cost, so the private person is paying 280k and getting a house for their own private use. Is there any mention of where this is? If the local authority is contributing the site and excluding development levies, that's quite a state contribution. Re the units that are used for social housing, is there being rent paid on these? If so, who is it being paid to? I'd hope that it's the local authority that is getting it and not the person who has made the 280k investment and already benefitted to the tune of a property for themselves...


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:14 am 
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Luan wrote:
Skippy 3 wrote:
He is going to build social houses for €70k each?

Yes but that figure apparently excludes land, labour, professional fees and any development levies payable i.e. It is the cost of raw materials
€70k materials in a 900sqft house? Christ-almighty. Your experience is obviously limited to building your ivory tower.

"€20k for cake and fine wine! More cake!"


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:56 pm 
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Coles2 wrote:
Luan wrote:
Skippy 3 wrote:
He is going to build social houses for €70k each?

Yes but that figure apparently excludes land, labour, professional fees and any development levies payable i.e. It is the cost of raw materials
€70k materials in a 900sqft house? Christ-almighty. Your experience is obviously limited to building your ivory tower.

"€20k for cake and fine wine! More cake!"

What makes you think the houses in this proposed scheme are only 900 sq ft?

Regardless any update on his progress - the first families should be moving in shortly

Or perhaps nothing has happened due to a shortage of unemployed builders :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:08 am 
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246k per rapid build house....put that in ye're pipes and smoke them!!!

Funding approved for 83 new houses to address homeless crisis
Coveney approved funding of €20.4 million for the projects.
http://www.thejournal.ie/firhouse-clond ... 2-Jan2017/
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OVER 80 new ‘rapid build’ houses are to be built in the coming months after Simon Coveney approved €20.4 million in funding.
Twenty-four homes, at a cost of €5.9 million, will be built on the Killininny Road, Firhouse, Dublin 24 while 59 modular houses will be constructed on St Cuthbert’s Park in Clondalkin, costing €14.5 million.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:55 am 
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Maybe we need to advertise these contracts a bit wider? Maybe remove a couple of layers of parasites from the process?

http://www.jewson.co.uk/working-with-yo ... alculator/

75% of those costs for terraced housing.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:28 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
Maybe we need to advertise these contracts a bit wider? Maybe remove a couple of layers of parasites from the process?

http://www.jewson.co.uk/working-with-yo ... alculator/

75% of those costs for terraced housing.

Woh - those are cheap prices

Have they built any houses in Ireland?

Oh yes they are based in England and don't build houses :)

There is an article in the Irish Times today on "how to beat fake news and faulty statistics"


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:23 pm 
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Actual relevant information.

Housing development: the economics of
small sites – the effect of project size on the cost of housing construction
, - BCIS

It costs 67% more to build a single dwelling on it's own that it does to build a single dwelling as part of a large development in excess of 10 units. Further savings on larger developments.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:24 pm 
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This is interesting. From a PQ response late last year:

Clare Daly (Dublin Fingal, United Left)
267. To ask the Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government if he will provide data (details supplied) on the projected cost of construction of social housing, excluding in all cases the cost of land procurement. [37043/16]

In relation to information sought for averages of various social housing costs, the following are the relevant figures based on current unit cost ceiling data prepared from tender returns utilised within my Department.
- average cost per square meter of social housing construction in Dublin = €2,046;
- average cost per square meter of social housing construction outside of Dublin= €1,524.

The average cost of construction of various housing units including all works within the site curtilage and a contribution towards development of common areas of the overall development (footpaths, roads, lighting etc), are as follows:
- 2-bed social housing unit in Dublin = €191,850;
- 2-bed social housing unit outside of Dublin= €141,445;
- 3-bed social housing unit in Dublin= €205,250;
- 3-bed social housing unit outside of Dublin = €154,560.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:38 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
This is interesting. From a PQ response late last year....

It is interesting. So interesting that you responded to it already :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:44 pm 
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temene wrote:
Skippy 3 wrote:
This is interesting. From a PQ response late last year....

It is interesting. So interesting that you responded to it already :)


The beatings will continue until morale improves :D :D :D


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:32 am 
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Given that our government have blindly followed the failed Thatcherite policies this is very relevant.

Britain’s housing crisis could be solved – if only the government wanted to, - The Guardian.
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Private builders will never meet the demand for homes. We need more social housing, denser cities and new suburbs – and those require real political will.

Let’s imagine we had a government that was genuinely determined to solve the housing crisis. What would it actually do?

Well, it would begin by accepting that the private housebuilders were never going to solve this problem for us. The amount firms pay for land is based on the price they’ll be able to sell homes for. They’re never going to build homes at a rate that could make prices fall, for the very good reason that they’d all go bust if they did.

And so, a government set on a real solution to the housing crisis would abandon ministers’ touching faith in the power of markets. Instead, it would invest in a huge increase in social housing, loaning money to housing associations, to get them building, and allowing councils to borrow money and build homes on their patch once again. This would require a change in attitudes towards public debt, and an understanding that council housing was a long-term investment – an asset, rather than a slightly embarrassing relic of a bygone age.

More social housing, denser cities, and properly planned new suburbs: in these three ways, a motivated government would be able to end the housing crisis in just a few years. It’s only a pity that a government like that seems like science fiction, too.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:26 am 
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Up to 1,300 social housing units are set to delivered in Cork City in the coming months under a fast-track approach to address the city’s social housing demand.

Housing Minister Simon Coveney confirmed yesterday that more than 400 homes will be under construction by May on 18 sites across the city as part of a €97m investment in social housing,


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/1300-social-housing-units-for-cork-443421.html

The piece later mentions 437 units, so €225k per unit.


Later, Mr Coveney turned the sod on a social housing project in Deanrock before launching a reconstruction project which will see 10 new homes for older people provided in Dublin St, Blackpool, by Respond!

The €2.15m project will see five one-bed and five two-bed homes built by January.


€215k per unit, or €143k per bedroom.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:44 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
Up to 1,300 social housing units are set to delivered in Cork City in the coming months under a fast-track approach to address the city’s social housing demand.

Housing Minister Simon Coveney confirmed yesterday that more than 400 homes will be under construction by May on 18 sites across the city as part of a €97m investment in social housing,


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/1300-social-housing-units-for-cork-443421.html

The piece later mentions 437 units, so €225k per unit.


Later, Mr Coveney turned the sod on a social housing project in Deanrock before launching a reconstruction project which will see 10 new homes for older people provided in Dublin St, Blackpool, by Respond!

The €2.15m project will see five one-bed and five two-bed homes built by January.


€215k per unit, or €143k per bedroom.


All those developments are in the range of 10-25 units each. That'll keep the price up alright, particularly design and professional fees, margin, etc.. We need green field sites of 1000+ units.


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