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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:07 am 
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I do think that even if it were theoretically possible to build houses at a reasonable cost, nobody would manage it in practice. A public enterprise would run thirty years and 10,000% over budget. Private developers would fling together some shoddy ruin that would be discovered five years down the road to have foundations made of recycled toilet paper. I'd be happy to have Coles2 as housing czar but he'd have to also design some sort of ball-breaking inspection scheme along with legislation that allowed time-wasters and profiteers to be summarily executed by hanging from their own lampposts.

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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:50 am 
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Luan wrote:
The state does an excellent job in many areas - I am just unfamiliar with any of them :lol:

Tax collection?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:50 pm 
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A terrace of 10 units, each 920 sqft, 3 beds. €78.5k each excluding VAT. The density is 28 units per acre including footpath and street. This is intended as an exercise to show how affordable housing can be constructed.

The design allows for no load bearing internal walls so that the layout can be easily adjusted for different family needs. The construction method is quick and cheap and exceeds the minimum building regulations.

The cost of electricity, gas and water connections are included. The cost of the access road is included, and it's upgrade to an 8m street with 1.5m pavement. Landscaping, planting, fencing etc including.

There are bound to be errors and omissions, but it would also be possible to make savings by reducing the spec or by using a different roofing system.

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Good stuff Coles.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
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Very informative. Thanks Coles.


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Because Galway is different, it costs €330k per social house. :roll:
The government is concerned over the development as the average cost of the initial 14 planned homes is coming in at twice the national average, around €330k per home. It’s understood this is due to rock breaking and the fact that road infrastructure will have to be built to allow for the further development of 55 houses. http://connachttribune.ie/construction- ... erage-200/


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:06 pm 
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That looks pretty impressive Coles. Im assuming others will now similarly put up (and engage honestly) or shut up.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:09 am 
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From the Irish times.


However, the council has decided the second site, a €13.5 scheme of 62 apartments at Bunratty Road in Coolock, will be used to accommodate people on the council’s general housing waiting list. The list currently stands at some 20,000 applicants.


€216k per unit.

The smaller of the two sites, a vacant plot on Fishamble Street near Christ Church Cathedral, will have four to eight apartments at a cost of €1.5 million to €1.8 million. This will be used to accommodate homeless families living in emergency accommodation.


€225k per unit if you get eight for €1.8m.

Both stories imply that DCC already owns the land.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:05 pm 
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A social housing solution for the people, - The Irish Times (November 2015)

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Architect Dominic Stevens is about to embark on a social housing scheme in Dublin, the first of its kind in Ireland, that will be driven by the needs of people, and not the market.

The proposed social housing scheme with a local authority (in collaboration with Open Architects), costing €350,000 and due to begin in spring, consists of five adjoining houses, one for his client (a Dublin professional), three for homeless people on the housing list and one which will be sold back at cost to the council.

The two-storey houses are oriented towards the view so back gardens are south-facing and their positioning recreates a sense of a cul de sac. Inside, the kitchen, dining and livingroom area can be reorganised in different ways to suit the needs of the occupants.

“Kitchens used to be things out the back and that was the woman’s domain. Generations of students that I teach [in DIT] grew up in a house with a family room. The extended kitchen/living/family room is an area that places a woman in the centre of the house so the feminist movement has undeniably changed the Irish-built environment,” he says.

The construction will involve forming a housing co-operative with a protective covenant preventing them being sold in two years’ time.


Plenty of interesting discussion on the 'Pin of Dominic Stevens and his work, but mostly predating the infestation of wingnuts.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:15 am 
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Free designer houses for homeless people ....hence the
Incentive for them to move to hotels and start bleating about the responsibility of the rest of society to pay high taxes for the layabouts and their kids.


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:40 am 
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Architect Dominic Stevens wrote:
Kitchens used to be things out the back and that was the woman’s domain. Generations of students that I teach [in DIT] grew up in a house with a family room. The extended kitchen/living/family room is an area that places a woman in the centre of the house so the feminist movement has undeniably changed the Irish-built environment

That's a very odd statement. Does he mean that Irish feminism had succeeded in making the kitchen a nicer place for women?

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Yes it's weird.

Dominic Stephens believes
" Of course, women's place is still in the kitchen (what you expect me to cook as well as design?! Ludicrous!) - but now thanks to feminism, women are more important- so let's put them in the centre of the house"


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:34 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
A social housing solution for the people, - The Irish Times (November 2015)

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Architect Dominic Stevens is about to embark on a social housing scheme in Dublin, the first of its kind in Ireland, that will be driven by the needs of people, and not the market.

The proposed social housing scheme with a local authority (in collaboration with Open Architects), costing €350,000 and due to begin in spring, consists of five adjoining houses, one for his client (a Dublin professional), three for homeless people on the housing list and one which will be sold back at cost to the council.

The two-storey houses are oriented towards the view so back gardens are south-facing and their positioning recreates a sense of a cul de sac. Inside, the kitchen, dining and livingroom area can be reorganised in different ways to suit the needs of the occupants.

“Kitchens used to be things out the back and that was the woman’s domain. Generations of students that I teach [in DIT] grew up in a house with a family room. The extended kitchen/living/family room is an area that places a woman in the centre of the house so the feminist movement has undeniably changed the Irish-built environment,” he says.

The construction will involve forming a housing co-operative with a protective covenant preventing them being sold in two years’ time.


Plenty of interesting discussion on the 'Pin of Dominic Stevens and his work, but mostly predating the infestation of wingnuts.


15 months later they must be almost finished :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:42 am 
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Eschatologist wrote:
Architect Dominic Stevens wrote:
Kitchens used to be things out the back and that was the woman’s domain. Generations of students that I teach [in DIT] grew up in a house with a family room. The extended kitchen/living/family room is an area that places a woman in the centre of the house so the feminist movement has undeniably changed the Irish-built environment

That's a very odd statement. Does he mean that Irish feminism had succeeded in making the kitchen a nicer place for women?


Very odd indeed. Had to read that a few times.
What about the men who are in the 'centre' of the house these days...that do most of the cooking etc!


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 Post subject: Re: The Social Housing Costs Thread
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He is going to build social houses for €70k each?


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