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 Post subject: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:59 am 
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A UK-wide survey by the RLA of almost 1,500 landlords has found that 7% reported that they have now started to offer properties as holiday/short-term lets through Airbnb or a similar platform.

http://www.propertyindustryeye.com/prop ... to-airbnb/

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Dublin to clamp down on Airbnb lets

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dubl ... -c536gzhdm

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An estimated 6000 homes have potentially been taken out of Sydney's permanent rental housing market as landlords list properties on home-sharing websites such as Airbnb.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-econ ... xxh7l.html

Is this a whole load of nothing or will Airbnb have a negative unintended consequence? What about the wider sharing economy, more unintended consequences?


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:02 am 
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Sorry what's the sharing economy, it's all a bit more 1984 these each and every day.

If money is exchanging hands on foot of some kind of contract, surely then this is capitalism 101 no?

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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:08 am 
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presumably, the idiotic rent pressure restrictions are basically null and void if you rent out your property this way?


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:18 am 
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slasher wrote:
presumably, the idiotic rent pressure restrictions are basically null and void if you rent out your property this way?


Or another way of looking at it is rent pressure restrictions are precisely why you rent it out this way.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:22 am 
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Open Window wrote:
Sorry what's the sharing economy, it's all a bit more 1984 these each and every day.

If money is exchanging hands on foot of some kind of contract, surely then this is capitalism 101 no?


Yes you`re right, however things like Uber, carsharing, crowdfunding and Airbnb type things are often referred to as the 'sharing economy' (despite some being capitalism 101 and some being genuine sharing). Its probably all worthy of discussion (its why I added the catchall phrase to the title rather than just airbnb in case people want to have a wider discussion)


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:37 am 
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Airbnb isn't really as much as an issue as it's been made out to be.

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Stop scapegoating Airbnb and start building houses
Claims accommodation website is adding to housing crisis not supported by figures

Focus Ireland’s Mike Keegan estimated that about 450 private dwellings have been taken out of the rental market by Airbnb. But the best indicator is probably the 550 Dublin homes that Airbnb told the committee were rented last year for more than 120 nights. Those properties might otherwise be on the rental market.

Yet a good chunk of those properties are in prime city locations such as Temple Bar. How many homeless people would be queuing up to rent a penthouse on Crown Alley, if only the property wasn’t listed in Airbnb?

Housing and planning economist Ronan Lyons told the committee that Dublin Airbnb rentals were being driven by the current acute shortage in the hotel market, which will ease when the hotels currently in planning get built over coming years.
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We need 40,000 new houses per year to solve this issue and the private sector isn’t yet capable of delivering them. Stop scapegoating web companies, and start building.


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/time-to-stop-scapegoating-airbnb-and-start-building-houses-1.3145608


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:17 am 
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Airbnb is emblematic of hyper-rentier behaviour in relation to residential property and is an important part of the mood music.

Also the homeless person isn't thinking of renting the penthouse, but someone else in the market should be.

Also Temple Bar apartments don't have magical planning status. It simply isn't legal to let it as a hotel room.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:03 pm 
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GameBlame wrote:
Airbnb is emblematic of hyper-rentier behaviour in relation to residential property and is an important part of the mood music.


Don't understand what you're trying to say here.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:43 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
GameBlame wrote:
Airbnb is emblematic of hyper-rentier behaviour in relation to residential property and is an important part of the mood music.


Don't understand what you're trying to say here.


Fragmenting the occupancy of a residential property in a residential block to maximise rental returns to capitalise on hotel room shortage. With no concern for impact on neighbours, planning law, or the wider community. It's a form of anti social behaviour actually


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:30 am 
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According to inside Airbnb there are 1375 entire properties for rent in Dublin City (excluding dl rathdown, fingal etc )with high availability through the the year, so 'Airbnb 'properties. There are 1150 properties for rent in the entire county of Dublin on daft today.
They need to tackle supply in every way they can including the reasons people are renting properties as airbnbs rather than longer term homes
But they will probably just ban this without actually enforcing the ruling


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:49 pm 
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What a disaster.
Just looked at Ashbourne., 1 place listed.
Maynioth just 15 and many were very expensive and not attractive even for a person on a good salary. Very few three beds listed

Total and utter cluster&%k.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:41 pm 
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Have an apartment in Smithfield,when next it comes free I am putting it on the AirNb site.I foolishly kept the rent low for the tenants I had and I am fucked if I putting it back on the market at that price.
Who knows if this AirnB experiment ge0s well then I will do the same for others.

Its gotten to the state where Govt interference in the rental market has driven out 1000s of landlords.I cant keep track of the rules any more.

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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:53 am 
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6,700+ listings in Dublin
http://insideairbnb.com/dublin/


49,300+ in London
http://insideairbnb.com/london/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccar ... d478284d1b

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Paris is the service's premier city with 78,000 listings, beating second placed London's 47,000. This may change, however, with authorities in the French capital set to clamp down on hosts who breach the city's housing regulations. Somebody renting their home for more than four months or a home that is not their primary residence must register it as a commercial property and apply for a change of use permit.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:27 am 
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The solution to everything is 'just build'.
Increasing supply can accommodate airbnb and lower rents.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:58 am 
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mr_anderson wrote:
The solution to everything is 'just build'.
Increasing supply can accommodate airbnb and lower rents.


It is most definitely the answer to the rental market.

And I cant figure out why its not happening.


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