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 Post subject: Re: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:10 pm 
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More than 500,000 people sign Uber petition to overturn London ban

Half a million people have signed an online petition in under 24 hours backing Uber's bid to stay on the roads of London, showing the company is turning to its tried-and-tested tactic of asking customers for help when it locks horns with regulators.

London's transport authorities stunned the powerful US start-up on Friday when they deemed Uber unfit to run a taxi service for safety reasons and stripped it of its licence from September 30, although it can operate while it appeals.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/more-tha ... ynjha.html


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Queenstown Council to vote on Airbnb cuts

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/ ... irbnb-cuts

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there are a lot of people in our area, who have just built new houses, who absolutely rely on Airbnb income to prop up their mortgage payments, because of the cost of building and the size of mortgages.”

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/11/05/5 ... queenstown

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Accommodation giant Airbnb warns political parties against tinkering with the sharing economy rules
THE number of Airbnb operators in SA has grown by 46 per cent, to 45,000

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... a28d2c1178

Big numbers for a place with a small population, interesting comment:

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As they don't pay tax and all their profit goes to Ireland, make it as hard as you can for them to operate here.


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https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal ... 7cefa642a5
http://www.smh.com.au/business/airbnb-b ... 08wbe.html


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 Post subject: Re: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:15 am 
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I have no problem with Airbnb if used to rent a room you have spare. The problem is that Airbnb has displaced huge numbers of low/irregular income renters in central parts of most EU Cities now....a landlord makes more money from renting Airbnb for 4 months in summer than they would to an ordinary tenant all year round. In Galway you have a lot of 8 month contracts (October to May) and then you are out for the summer, perhaps this is the new normal all around.

Dublin has gone completely nuts now, only a good crash will solve anything soon.....perhaps shortly after Brexit.

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 Post subject: Re: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:47 pm 
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Neither do I but there's also a significant number of tenants renting the spare room on airbnb.
Their rent can't be increased. They can't be evicted. They are profiting on the rent and only sharing when they want to rather than with a full time room mate.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:18 pm 
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Neither do I but there's also a significant number of tenants renting the spare room on airbnb.
Their rent can't be increased. They can't be evicted. They are profiting on the rent and only sharing when they want to rather than with a full time room mate.


Don’t think anyone has a problem with that, given that’s what Airbnb was originally about. Rent out a spare room, or the air bed in the living room, or by all means the whole place for a few days here and there and get some money in.

But not the whole place always and exclusively.


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 Post subject: Re: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:28 am 
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Appently it walks like a duck...
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1220/928628-uber/
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Uber is a taxi company - European Court of Justice

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 Post subject: Re: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:20 am 
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yoganmahew wrote:
Appently it walks like a duck...
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1220/928628-uber/
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Uber is a taxi company - European Court of Justice



But does it make any difference ?
If I set up TPP Taxi Company, the drivers still have to comply with Irish law.
Am I wrong in thinking the issue with Uber is the driver, not the company ?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:49 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
yoganmahew wrote:
Appently it walks like a duck...
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1220/928628-uber/
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Uber is a taxi company - European Court of Justice


But does it make any difference ?
If I set up TPP Taxi Company, the drivers still have to comply with Irish law.
Am I wrong in thinking the issue with Uber is the driver, not the company ?


Don't mess with Spanish Taxi drivers. No joke.

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 Post subject: Re: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:57 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
yoganmahew wrote:
Appently it walks like a duck...
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1220/928628-uber/
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Uber is a taxi company - European Court of Justice



But does it make any difference ?
If I set up TPP Taxi Company, the drivers still have to comply with Irish law.
Am I wrong in thinking the issue with Uber is the driver, not the company ?

Uber has to comply with Irish employment law too, though. If the drivers are employees, then they get certain rights, Uber can't just call them self-employed and wash its hands of them. If Uber is a taxi company (step 1), then the drivers are taxi drivers and so employed by Uber (step 2).

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 Post subject: Re: Gig/Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:06 am 
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I think this is just further highlights part of the attraction of the message of many of those who support Brexit or Trump (as the most obvious examples within the Anglo-sphere).

The globalised economy to include the free-movement of everything across borders benefits some, generally those in positions of economic influence (in the case of Airbnb, landlords etc) and damages those with less economic influence ie renters. Mass movements of both tourists who will rent entire properties on a short-term basis and migrants who are willing to sleep 6 or 8 to a room are quite clearly a more lucrative option for a landlord than a young civil servant or Engineering graduate whose entry-level salaries don't extend too far.

Such issues are very real concerns for many people but when aired publicly tend to be discarded by the same exploitative vested interests as the ramblings of racists or loonies. However, while some hear claims to close borders as metaphor for a form of xenophobia or racism, others simply hear a call for a return to a time when having a home or even a secure job wasn't beyond the reach of ordinary people.

There will come a point when all this will come to a head either through public unrest or the rise of some form of new politics. Its already happening elsewhere. As noted on this site over the years with regard to numerous other topics, Ireland is not different.

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