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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:04 am 
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The solution to everything is 'just build'.
Increasing supply can accommodate airbnb and lower rents.


It is most definitely the answer to the rental market.

And I cant figure out why its not happening.



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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:32 am 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
6,700+ listings in Dublin
http://insideairbnb.com/dublin/


Thanks. I couldn't remember the name of this tracking site but I knew it existed and it had been referenced here in the past. Something does not seem right. How can the total listing for Dublin on Airbnb seem to double since this was posted on the original airbnb thread (merge required) in June 2016?

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3,773 listings on airbnb dublin of which 1,682 are entire houses/flats.
http://insideairbnb.com/dublin/


I don't think daft listing for dublin has fluctuated by anything close to this figure. It seems for Dublin it drifted below 1,500 around 2015 down to almost 1,200 in more recent times. Total supply for Dublin lettings has been chronic for years.

I don't have time right this minute but can anyone explain the current figures. Is it possible we have some insitutional power playing on airbnb on the taxpayers behalf? :nin

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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:54 am 
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Sorry what's the sharing economy, it's all a bit more 1984 these each and every day.

If money is exchanging hands on foot of some kind of contract, surely then this is capitalism 101 no?



the sharing economy is a nice little earner for those who already own dwellings/cars/assets.

but it means the cost of dwellings/cars etc. increases because they can be rented out* and hence the renting of these assets is factored into the selling price.



In regards to cars, cars have limited mileage therefore the argument that the car is unporiductive sitting in your driveway or parking space is total misnomer.

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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:25 am 
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Thing Fish wrote:
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Sorry what's the sharing economy, it's all a bit more 1984 these each and every day.

If money is exchanging hands on foot of some kind of contract, surely then this is capitalism 101 no?



the sharing economy is a nice little earner for those who already own dwellings/cars/assets.

but it means the cost of dwellings/cars etc. increases because they can be rented out* and hence the renting of these assets is factored into the selling price.



In regards to cars, cars have limited mileage therefore the argument that the car is unporiductive sitting in your driveway or parking space is total misnomer.


I'm not sure that's entirely correct regarding a car.
Mileage isn't the only thing that "wears" or depreciates a car.
Age does too - even in the absence of any mileage.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:07 pm 
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The **fixed** cost of having access to a car includes motor tax and possibly car park/space rental. Also annual service regardless of usage

Plenty of people just want/need a car for the weekend/mid week


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I've witnessed city centre apartment disappear out of the normal residential letting market to the Airbnb vacuum seemingly never to return and the timeline very much tallies with such articles as this one from 2015 in thejournal.ie - "Airbnb hosts: ‘We’ve been making the housing crisis worse'"

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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
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It's disgusting that the government do nothing about Air BnB but have banned uber outright- its exactly the same thing except Air BnB has inflated city centre apartment prices and cut rental supply to crap that only south Americans in bunk beds can afford to rent.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
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Low-paid, unskilled workers who rely on the gig economy to make a living are missing out on mandatory employer superannuation, according to Australia's peak super body

ASFA estimates there are around 100,000 workers — or 0.8 per cent of the workforce — who make their living from web-based platforms such as Uber, Deliveroo and Airtasker are potentially disadvantaged by missing out on compulsory superannuation payments

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-07/g ... on/8880932

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Zadi and Nay leverage their skills, experience and passions into a diverse portfolio of multiple work assignments and revenue streams to thrive in the Gig Economy, a fast-growing worker movement that includes consulting and contracting, temping, freelancing, self-employment, side gigs and on-demand workers. While Zadi and Nay enthusiastically jumped into the Gig Economy –– Zadi gave up a law career to pursue her passions –– others are thrust into it by necessity, as full-time jobs have slipped away. Some want the supplemental income as wages remain largely stagnant while still others use it as a buffer as they ease into retirement.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/

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TOMORROW’S workers will have to create, rather than find, jobs as the nature of employment is transformed, along with how and when we do it.

The nine-to-five full-time employee will become increasingly rare over the next decade or two as accelerating technology and changing lifestyles reshape the workforce.

“We are seeing the rise of the ‘gig economy’ – more piecemeal, more part-time, more casual jobs,’’ PwC chief economist Jeremy Thorpe said.

A third of Australian workers – more than four million people – have already freelanced, and almost 750,000 moonlight in addition to their regular jobs.

Those numbers are set to explode with the growth of the peer-to-peer, or sharing, economy under platforms such as Airtasker, Upwork, Freelancer, Uber and Airbnb.


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“With the house price boom, young people are less able to purchase homes, and those under 29 are far less likely to expect to be able to. However, they have money in their pockets and they want to spend it on experiences and services.

“Young people are less likely to own a car or lots of furniture, but they are more likely to travel and spend on experiences.” Mr Thorpe said. “They are less likely to have debt so they are more mobile and less likely to stay in the same job or city because they are not anchored by a mortgage.’’


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/quee ... 0a263a1eda

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The rise of the TaskRabbit, the Lyft driver, the Postmates delivery man are well-known and much discussed, but guess what? Gig workers are coming to some of the world’s largest corporations too. Increasingly Fortune 500 companies and global giants like Samsung are turning to online freelancing platforms like Upwork and PeoplePerHour to find designers, marketing staff, IT specialists and other knowledge workers.

“It’s surprising how far some of these very large enterprises are in adopting these platforms,” says Vili Lehdonvirta, an economic sociologist and associate professor at the University of Oxford, who is studying online freelancing platforms and their effects on the way workforces are organized. In the past 12 months, the total number of projects sourced using such platforms increased 26%. He says that while we typically think of start-ups and small businesses using such platforms, increasingly large firms are turning to them too. “That is something that could have real impact,”

http://fortune.com/2017/08/29/the-gig-e ... s-anymore/


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:03 am 
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OrphanAndy wrote:
It's disgusting that the government do nothing about Air BnB but have banned uber outright- its exactly the same thing except Air BnB has inflated city centre apartment prices and cut rental supply to crap that only south Americans in bunk beds can afford to rent.



There's a taxi lobby, but no tenant lobby.
I used Uber in America last month.
Excellent service and less than half the price of a regular Irish taxi.
We need it here.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
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mr_anderson wrote:
OrphanAndy wrote:
It's disgusting that the government do nothing about Air BnB but have banned uber outright- its exactly the same thing except Air BnB has inflated city centre apartment prices and cut rental supply to crap that only south Americans in bunk beds can afford to rent.



There's a taxi lobby, but no tenant lobby.
I used Uber in America last month.
Excellent service and less than half the price of a regular Irish taxi.
We need it here.


I used airbnb in Melbourne a while back, great price and better than all but top hotels.........do we need it?


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
OrphanAndy wrote:
It's disgusting that the government do nothing about Air BnB but have banned uber outright- its exactly the same thing except Air BnB has inflated city centre apartment prices and cut rental supply to crap that only south Americans in bunk beds can afford to rent.



There's a taxi lobby, but no tenant lobby.
I used Uber in America last month.
Excellent service and less than half the price of a regular Irish taxi.
We need it here.


I used airbnb in Melbourne a while back, great price and better than all but top hotels.........do we need it?



If there wasn't a supply issue, people would have no problem with it.
Anyone who has ever had to travel for work knows that after two weeks, hotels get unbearable.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:35 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
OrphanAndy wrote:
It's disgusting that the government do nothing about Air BnB but have banned uber outright- its exactly the same thing except Air BnB has inflated city centre apartment prices and cut rental supply to crap that only south Americans in bunk beds can afford to rent.



There's a taxi lobby, but no tenant lobby.
I used Uber in America last month.
Excellent service and less than half the price of a regular Irish taxi.
We need it here.


Were you insured while you were in the Uber car? Irish taxi's pay a big insurance premium would the same premium on an Irish Uber car make it worthwhile to do it for a few hours a week?

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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:40 am 
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Buster wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
The solution to everything is 'just build'.
Increasing supply can accommodate airbnb and lower rents.


It is most definitely the answer to the rental market.

And I cant figure out why its not happening.

They have Nama loans and AIB to offload. Can't do anything till then.

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 Post subject: Re: Sharing economy/Airbnb effect
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tulip wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
OrphanAndy wrote:
It's disgusting that the government do nothing about Air BnB but have banned uber outright- its exactly the same thing except Air BnB has inflated city centre apartment prices and cut rental supply to crap that only south Americans in bunk beds can afford to rent.



There's a taxi lobby, but no tenant lobby.
I used Uber in America last month.
Excellent service and less than half the price of a regular Irish taxi.
We need it here.


Were you insured while you were in the Uber car? Irish taxi's pay a big insurance premium would the same premium on an Irish Uber car make it worthwhile to do it for a few hours a week?


I was insured.
Insurance companies cover for Uber as a supplement.
However, you are only covered when the driver's app is on.


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