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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:16 am 
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Hi house recently rented on my road, very small 3 bed semi-detached property (one of bedrooms is a box room). Currently 10 people living in it. Is there any legal/fire safety limits to the number of people that can live in a house?

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:23 am 
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NegativeEquity wrote:
Hi house recently rented on my road, very small 3 bed semi-detached property (one of bedrooms is a box room). Currently 10 people living in it. Is there any legal/fire safety limits to the number of people that can live in a house?


I had a similar situation (illegal sub-let had 8 people living in a 2 bed apt).
Called the council and they suggested I contact the local fire brigade.

Insurance can also be an issue.
Contact your own company and ask how many you are insured to have in your own house.

Is the landlord aware of the overcrowding ?
It's grounds for a termination of the lease.


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 Post subject: Re: Legal Limit on inhabitants per dwelling
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:36 am 
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mr_anderson wrote:
NegativeEquity wrote:
Hi house recently rented on my road, very small 3 bed semi-detached property (one of bedrooms is a box room). Currently 10 people living in it. Is there any legal/fire safety limits to the number of people that can live in a house?


I had a similar situation (illegal sub-let had 8 people living in a 2 bed apt).
Called the council and they suggested I contact the local fire brigade.

Insurance can also be an issue.
Contact your own company and ask how many you are insured to have in your own house.

Is the landlord aware of the overcrowding ?
It's grounds for a termination of the lease.


Thanks for the information.

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 Post subject: Re: Legal Limit on inhabitants per dwelling
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mr_anderson wrote:
Is the landlord aware of the overcrowding ?
It's grounds for a termination.

That’s a bit too far even for me #VoteNo

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 Post subject: Re: Legal Limit on inhabitants per dwelling
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:57 pm 
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NegativeEquity wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
NegativeEquity wrote:
Hi house recently rented on my road, very small 3 bed semi-detached property (one of bedrooms is a box room). Currently 10 people living in it. Is there any legal/fire safety limits to the number of people that can live in a house?


I had a similar situation (illegal sub-let had 8 people living in a 2 bed apt).
Called the council and they suggested I contact the local fire brigade.

Insurance can also be an issue.
Contact your own company and ask how many you are insured to have in your own house.

Is the landlord aware of the overcrowding ?
It's grounds for a termination of the lease.


Thanks for the information.



All info above is correct- Still a grey area as far as I know. Overcrowding is a grounds for a LL terminating tenancy under the RTA 2004 with regard to how many bedspaces are specified in the submitted return to the PRTB. Assuming the LL cares about the numbers in the property - I have seen it used to terminate a tenancy in a studio where the sole individual on the lease subsequently moved their partner and two children into the property :shock:

In the 1964 Housing act each bedspace required 400 cubic feet of air. Therefore your average box room of 10ftx10ft and a defined max ceiling height of 8ft (presumably written in the context of the georgian tenements) would mean a max of two bedspaces - I presume this is what is still the benchmark for fire prevention regulations/interventions.


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 Post subject: Re: Legal Limit on inhabitants per dwelling
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Terra Incognita wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
Is the landlord aware of the overcrowding ?
It's grounds for a termination.

That’s a bit too far even for me #VoteNo


I once had 17 people living in a house in D4.
The landlord demanded a complete vacancy after (lease) term.


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 Post subject: Re: Legal Limit on inhabitants per dwelling
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:10 pm 
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tommyt wrote:
NegativeEquity wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
NegativeEquity wrote:
Hi house recently rented on my road, very small 3 bed semi-detached property (one of bedrooms is a box room). Currently 10 people living in it. Is there any legal/fire safety limits to the number of people that can live in a house?


I had a similar situation (illegal sub-let had 8 people living in a 2 bed apt).
Called the council and they suggested I contact the local fire brigade.

Insurance can also be an issue.
Contact your own company and ask how many you are insured to have in your own house.

Is the landlord aware of the overcrowding ?
It's grounds for a termination of the lease.


Thanks for the information.



All info above is correct- Still a grey area as far as I know. Overcrowding is a grounds for a LL terminating tenancy under the RTA 2004 with regard to how many bedspaces are specified in the submitted return to the PRTB. Assuming the LL cares about the numbers in the property - I have seen it used to terminate a tenancy in a studio where the sole individual on the lease subsequently moved their partner and two children into the property :shock:

In the 1964 Housing act each bedspace required 400 cubic feet of air. Therefore your average box room of 10ftx10ft and a defined max ceiling height of 8ft (presumably written in the context of the georgian tenements) would mean a max of two bedspaces - I presume this is what is still the benchmark for fire prevention regulations/interventions.


Was at a conference last month where a speaker from the PRTB mentioned that the overcrowding clause was the least used reason for obtaining vacancy.


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