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 Post subject: Re: FF - Life After Lenihan
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:12 am 
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Ixelles wrote:

But how is it that FF are the ones to benefit?


Unless Enda and Gilmore lead Ireland into an oil and food rationining catastrophe I cant see FF ever returning to say 30%.

So the question is why aren't FF at 10% like they deserve to be right now?

Because Lab and FG are liars who tricked the electorate.
Burning bondholders - lie
No more jobs for party activists - lie
Labours way or Frankfurts way - lie
Pledge given (AFTER Imf deal) not to increase college fees - lie
Peter Matthews activism will lead to change - lie


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 Post subject: Re: FF - Life After Lenihan
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:19 am 
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tulip wrote:
I think it's more to do with the fact that there FF appear to be the only opposition to FG/Lab. The media basically ignore SF and the leftwing parties.


Have you ever read Sartre 'In the Mesh'?
On about day 7 of a left wing government after they'd seen the books they'd start co operating with the IMF.


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 Post subject: Re: FF - Life After Lenihan
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:30 pm 
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The Lehmans narrative continues, Dick Roche in the Wall Street Journal

Did Ireland Need a Bailout? -> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 79064.html

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Between 1995 and 2006 the Irish economy boomed, fueled in part by cheap capital raised in the interbank market. The same period witnessed an influx of new operators in the banking sector, with less restrictive policies for issuing loans. The new competition and greater flexibility in banking were widely welcomed at the time.

Then, following the credit crunch and the Lehman collapse, credit virtually disappeared. Building projects were abandoned, property sales crashed, prices plummeted, major developers failed and tens of thousands of building workers lost their jobs. State tax revenues went through the floor.

The Irish banking system also began experiencing serious difficulty financing day-to-day operations. By the end of the summer of 2008, a panic had set in. Faced with the prospect of a bank meltdown, Dublin moved to guarantee its banks in late September, 2008.

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 Post subject: Re: FF - Life After Lenihan
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:36 am 
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http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 53478.html

Micheal Martin has labelled Germany as the greatest threat to Europe. Are Fianna Fáil repositioning themselves as the Euro-sceptic party?


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 Post subject: Re: FF - Life After Lenihan
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:26 pm 
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No, they're continuing to position themselves as the populist party, following public opinion:

2011: You don't like Germans telling us what to do? Neither do we!
2006: You want tax incentives and public policy that encourages buying houses so that everyone gets rich? So do we!


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