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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:37 pm 
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miju wrote:
so the cold hard figures are:

Unites Started: 1132
Units Complete: 859
Units Occupied: 435

oooooh eerrrrrrrrr :)


I actually mailed two big estate agents who were selling in Adamstown looking to see if there were any rental properties there as the commute from D15 where I own was getting me down. I got zero responses. doesn't seem to be much interest in matching BTLs with renters.


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bearbait wrote:
Maurice Manning wrote:
It (Darndale) was based upon an award winning design which had been implemented with some success in parts of Britain and the Continent.


In a 1987 debate about housing with Sean Haughey and Joe O'Toole
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie ... 80009.html

All just a little bit of history repeating?


Yes it was an award winning design, but not for the purpose it was used in Ireland. The design was, AFAIR, for sheltered accommodation for elderly. The close proximity of all units to each other and lack of gardens was intended to be low maintenance and to allow the residents to 'keep an eye on each other'.

It was never intended to be a design for family units and the warren of passageways and lanes didn't help with the social problems associated with the demographic.

As for history repeating, I wonder will they run out of money before they finish Ballymun this time around, just as they did in the 1970's.

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Developer Castlethorn Construction has submitted the planning application for a €500m 'new town' in West Dublin.
Plans for the new phase of building at Adamstown, which will be bigger than Dundalk and will house a population of 30,000, will be unveiled later today. The town will be constructed over a 24-acre site.
Plans for the town include 16,294sqm of retail space, including a pharmacy of 250sqm.
The application also includes plans for apartments/duplexes, public houses, a creche, library and cinema.
The housing element will be made up of 606 residential units, while the cinema will house eight screens and include seating for 1,304 people over about 2,226sqm. >>>>

Castlethorn submits planning bid for 'new town' to house 30,000
http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 77083.html

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Developer Castlethorn Construction has submitted the planning application for a €500m 'new town' in West Dublin.
Plans for the new phase of building at Adamstown, which will be bigger than Dundalk and will house a population of 30,000, will be unveiled later today. The town will be constructed over a 24-acre site.
Plans for the town include 16,294sqm of retail space, including a pharmacy of 250sqm.
The application also includes plans for apartments/duplexes, public houses, a creche, library and cinema.
The housing element will be made up of 606 residential units, while the cinema will house eight screens and include seating for 1,304 people over about 2,226sqm. >>>>

Castlethorn submits planning bid for 'new town' to house 30,000
http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 77083.html


Will it have a Bus?


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is it just me or is the most bizarre thing in that article the mention of a 250sq/m pharmacy?

I guess there will be a lot of Prozac doled out to ease the pain of negative equity....


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whizzbang wrote:
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Castlethorn submits planning bid for 'new town' to house 30,000
http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 77083.html


Will it have a Bus?

It's for 30000 people - what use in a bus route, even a good one by dublin bus standards, running every 10 minutes? That's a whopping 600 people per hour - or realistically 1200 people during the 2 hour commute window? This is why the world invented metros.


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BertieBasher wrote:
Forgot to mention. I heard the council bought a load of units in Adamstown. Don't know how true this is. Can anybody confirm?

South Dublin CoCo already sold good bit of them under affordable house scheme...i think last February but not sure.
Ckeck www.propertypath.ie


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Check out Photo 7
www.daft.ie/23906

When they highlight things like that as features, you have to wonder about the stuff they didn't photograph.

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Check out Photo 7
www.daft.ie/23906

When they highlight things like that as features, you have to wonder about the stuff they didn't photograph.

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 Post subject: Re: Darndale
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bearbait wrote:
Maurice Manning wrote:
It (Darndale) was based upon an award winning design which had been implemented with some success in parts of Britain and the Continent.


In a 1987 debate about housing with Sean Haughey and Joe O'Toole
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie ... 80009.html

All just a little bit of history repeating?


What a brilliant find! Thank goodness for the online oireachtas archive. Information is power.

I wonder has Batt O'Keefe ever read it?


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El Stuntman wrote:
daltonr wrote:
Check out Photo 7
www.daft.ie/23906

When they highlight things like that as features, you have to wonder about the stuff they didn't photograph.

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one man's corner full of weeds is another man's Sunflowers....


Think that's a feature check out image 2 and 3 on this http://www.daft.ie/1302464 Maybe it's a famous sculpture.

Sorry it's off topic, maybe there should be a features thread.

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LOL! Is there still a photography section in the metro every so often? Some imaginative angles they've got there...


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ragingbear wrote:
whizzbang wrote:
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Castlethorn submits planning bid for 'new town' to house 30,000
http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 77083.html


Will it have a Bus?

It's for 30000 people - what use in a bus route, even a good one by dublin bus standards, running every 10 minutes? That's a whopping 600 people per hour - or realistically 1200 people during the 2 hour commute window? This is why the world invented metros.


It already has a number of buses, actually, including the 25X and the 151. It also has a 15-minute connection to Heuston station through its train station, which opened last year.

Overall, I think the principle behind Adamstown remains sound if perhaps a little obvious to planners anywhere else in Western Europe - don't let developers build without first thinking about the related non-housing infrastructure needs that building houses will bring. Hence the requirements on the developers to have certain pieces of infrastructure complete (roads, schools, train station, etc) before they get planning permission for their next batch in Adamstown.

Just a shame it took so long for this to emerge in Ireland.


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Scorpio wrote:
It already has a number of buses, actually, including the 25X and the 151.

Which are empty? I think not.

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It also has a 15-minute connection to Heuston station through its train station, which opened last year.

Unfortunately the service is all too rare (and likely packed if the rest of the network is anything to judge by). Not to mention the fact the hueston is basically nowhere useful and has no decent integration into a city-wide transport system.


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Scorpio wrote:
Overall, I think the principle behind Adamstown remains sound if perhaps a little obvious to planners anywhere else in Western Europe - don't let developers build without first thinking about the related non-housing infrastructure needs that building houses will bring. Hence the requirements on the developers to have certain pieces of infrastructure complete (roads, schools, train station, etc) before they get planning permission for their next batch in Adamstown.

Just a shame it took so long for this to emerge in Ireland.


Correct , its certainly not another unserviced mess like Lucan or Blanchardstown or Knocknatallaght in Galway.

It would appear, however, that there are deficiencies in planning with builders adding extra floors in some spots and then getting retention.

Our so called planners never enforce anything as usual :(


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