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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:16 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:49 pm 
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"If they were prudent and paid off their mortgage or rented, give them a small amount of shares in the bank -- so that they don't feel their neighbour is being rewarded for reckless borrowing (and they'll shut up about the moral hazard of helping the economy by helping their neighbour)."

Thanks Carol - most generous! Can I use those bank shares to pay my rent?


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:59 pm 
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Barney Gumble wrote:
My irony detector just exploded.


+ a billion...


no, wait 24 billion....



ok 70 billion....final offer. XX


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:57 pm 
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There was a big problem with it, however -- this solution was so bleeding, blindingly obvious that there must be a fatal flaw within it. Otherwise, it would already have been implemented, right?

Pat thought so, too. So he racked his brains. And he thought and he thought. And he couldn't come up with a reason why this plan hadn't been tried. Nor could he figure out why it wouldn't work.

So he asked the listeners. Anyone -- preferably some clever financiers or economists -- who could see the damning flaw in this oh-so-cunning plan, could they please call the show and enlighten him.


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The people in negative equity who watch a TV show aimed at people who are in negative equity were unwilling or unable to contradict a man advocating a bail out for people in negative equity.


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:12 pm 
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johnnyskeleton wrote:
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The people in negative equity who watch a TV show aimed at people who are in negative equity were unwilling or unable to contradict a man advocating a bail out for people in negative equity.

Meh. I already posted on the Bubble radio/TV thread that I was bored enough to write a mail to the show outlining the most obvious problem that I saw with the proposal, namely that it would cost a multiple of just giving the money to the banks.


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:16 pm 
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Barney Gumble wrote:
johnnyskeleton wrote:
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The people in negative equity who watch a TV show aimed at people who are in negative equity were unwilling or unable to contradict a man advocating a bail out for people in negative equity.

Meh. I already posted on the Bubble radio/TV thread that I was bored enough to write a mail to the show outlining the most obvious problem that I saw with the proposal, namely that it would cost a multiple of just giving the money to the banks.


It's a coverup I tells ya. The game is afoot.


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:59 pm 
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anyone remember back 20-30 years ago ...in school....learning about Irish poetry
and how many Irish poets would use the girl's name "Aisling" to personify Ireland :o

Aisling is someone that borrowed stupidly and spent it frivolously
now owes more than she's worth,
and wants her debtors to reduce her debts.

Would people's feelings towards differ if they knew that Aisling was really Ireland?

Of course one place where this analogy breaks down is that Aisling has stopped borrowing! XX

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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:19 pm 
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Is there a Property Pin in China?

If there is then Jiang Xueqin probably posts there

Some quotes from one of the best articles I read in a long, long time.
(and I´ve read a few)

"Do we blame our leaders for giving us what we want, or do we blame ourselves for always succumbing to our worst instincts"

"Ironically, we’re in this mess not because governments cared too little, but because they cared too much about what their people wanted."

And how about if we're Chinese? Well, this is our moment in the sun. But our economy is in many ways just a lie—and we know it"

Full article here: http://goo.gl/dLV6C

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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:46 pm 
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JoseAntonioPP wrote:
Is there a Property Pin in China?


"Do we blame our leaders for giving us what we want, or do we blame ourselves for always succumbing to our worst instincts"

"Ironically, we’re in this mess not because governments cared too little, but because they cared too much about what their people wanted."


Or alternatively
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Then must you speak / Of one that loved not wisely, but too well;

Charlie Haughey quoted Othello in his farewell speech. Maybe Cowen should have done the same...


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:07 pm 
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Ireland_is_different wrote:
anyone remember back 20-30 years ago ...in school....learning about Irish poetry
and how many Irish poets would use the girl's name "Aisling" to personify Ireland :o

Aisling is someone that borrowed stupidly and spent it frivolously
now owes more than she's worth,
and wants her debtors to reduce her debts.

Would people's feelings towards differ if they knew that Aisling was really Ireland?

Of course one place where this analogy breaks down is that Aisling has stopped borrowing! XX


I remember an Aisling: she was slow and ugly.


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:35 pm 
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I think Carol is from Anneguish's stable of 'contributors rather than Aenguish's lot.
Cant be friggin arsed backtracking though posts - not even my own -but isn't this the same Carol that put her North inner-city pied-a-terre up for sale at a ludicrous price and bought a' just have to have second home' -before she sold her first -just as the market ground to a halt - all based on her view -and apparently that of the fuckwit who lent her the money -that there would always be a rising property market -and that Carol's day job as a Dublin 'historical walking tour organsier' was a secure number in a solidly based growth industry. If I'm wrong -no doubt someone will tell me.

Reinforces my view that that having one'e eyes scored with a hot poker -is less painful than reading shite like the Sindo


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:07 am 
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Hard to comprehend how Carol has a column at all, quite the reflection on irish newspaper quality. Utter BS

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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:42 pm 
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her twitter...
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Journalist, permanent student, mother, feminist, book addict. All offers of work considered! Well. Nearly all.


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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:21 pm 
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oh my god what a complete ashling: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108317527124

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 Post subject: Re: Carol Hunt on Negative Equity
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:50 am 
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Carol Hunt: Unless personal debt is renegotiated, we face collapse -> http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analy ... 24203.html

Still at it, everyone else to blame for her decisions, someone must pay her negative equity.

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