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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:36 pm 
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The community in the village of Ballyhea in Cork is sure as hell not going "gently into that good night". Since March this year, they've held weekly Sunday morning marches protesting against the use of state funds to repay bondholders in Irish banks. They've even run/walked/cycled/crawled from Ballyhea to Leinster House to hand in a petition.

And they've just launched a Facebook page to track payments to bondholders in the state-guaranteed Irish banks, the millions and the billions of euro that are paid week-in, week-out. Heck they're even going to let the IMF know every time a bond is repaid, just to shame the IMF, whose position is that there should be burden-sharing with senior bondholders it's just they haven't managed to stand up for that position with the ECB. Our Finnish friend, Olli Rehn will also be getting regular updates together with a reminder that his position was supposed to ensure no EuroZone country exceeded 60% debt:GDP and with each payment to bondholders we get further and further away from that cap set out in the Stability and Growth Pact.

The Facebook page is here - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bondwatch/136610376421120

This is what it looks like

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:45 pm 
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Good spot NWL. Well done Ballyhea.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:16 pm 
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Gene Kerrigan: Lest we forget the madness of paying banks' gambling debts -> http://www.independent.ie/opinion/colum ... 40173.html

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O'Flynn saw the bailout of bondholders as central to what has been done to the country. Tens of billions of private business debts, transferred to the citizens, breaking the State's ability to borrow at sustainable levels of interest. He reckons the total cost of bailing out the bondholders, with interest over the years to come, will be a hundred billion.

"The ECB is allowing us borrow a hundred billion, so we can spend a hundred billion paying off bondholders."

Over the months, the march through the tiny village grew to around 70, sometimes slipping back. It's a strong GAA village, quiet, conservative, unused to standing out from the crowd. If the under-14s need a lift to a match, and a cheer from the sidelines, if farmers are especially busy, the ranks of the march become thinner. But month after month, the village has continued to bear witness to the madness.

Hopes that the protest would spread were unfulfilled. There was activity in Fermoy for a while, but it petered out. A march to Dublin was met with indifference. O'Flynn sees the sense in protests on specific issues -- the A&E scandal, the tuition fees -- or in the Occupy movement. But, in talking to individual protesters, aware of the huge transfer of wealth, and what that does to the State's finances, he has been moved to ruminate. "Lads, can you not make the connection?"

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:58 pm 
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The good folk of Ballyhea feature on the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... e-ballyhea

Pity some of the Irish rags couldn't take an interest (bar Gene maybe). :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:52 am 
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Monday, 21 May 2012
THE DIRTY DOZEN w/e May 27th 2012

No bond too big, no bond too small, the Irish banks will pay them all.

Tomorrow, Tuesday, IL&P - a bank deader than any dodo - will pay a bond of €2.2m, unguaranteed unsecured but sure who's watching?

Next Monday, May 28th, AIB will pay a bond worth more than a thousand times that, a bond of €2.25bn taken out four years ago, May 28th 2008, when AIB was still a private bank.

http://bondwatchireland.blogspot.com/

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 10:10 am 
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Duisigh wrote:
Good spot NWL. Well done Ballyhea.


The people of Ballyhea can hold therir heads high

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 7:16 pm 
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This reminds me of the Joke.

A Banker, A Politician and A factory worker are sitting in a room with a packet of 20 biscuits.

The Banker opens his briefcase and puts in it, 19 of the 20 biscuits leaving just one on the plate, he then gets up to leave. As he goes he nudges the Politician, points to the factory worker and whispers in the politicians ear: "I'd watch that fella; I think hes after your biscuit".

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Did no one like my joke? I thought it was brilll :(

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Terra Incognita wrote:
Did no one like my joke? I thought it was brilll :(


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:18 am 
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Open Window wrote:
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Monday, 21 May 2012
THE DIRTY DOZEN w/e May 27th 2012

No bond too big, no bond too small, the Irish banks will pay them all.

Tomorrow, Tuesday, IL&P - a bank deader than any dodo - will pay a bond of €2.2m, unguaranteed unsecured but sure who's watching?

Next Monday, May 28th, AIB will pay a bond worth more than a thousand times that, a bond of €2.25bn taken out four years ago, May 28th 2008, when AIB was still a private bank.

http://bondwatchireland.blogspot.com/

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:19 am 
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Eh, right. So we've pumped 20+ bn into AIB and now we are going to piss it away?

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:30 am 
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good one on the banker, it takes the biscuit!

and this is news about bleeding the country white ? Isnt ireland the plucky nation paying its way into the stone age? At this rate there wont be anything left in 10 years time except the tolls when you go on to the main highway in your ass and cart XX .

By the end of all these bailouts all bank debt will be washed into public debt. As i posted on another thread the interest payments alone on the public and private debt are so large you would have to scrap every tax relief of every kind along with entire health service or Social Welfare

Thanks for preparing the list of TDs emails. Enda is probably too afraid to open his I imagine

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:31 am 
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Someone should start a parallel "Watch" page documenting every time a shitload of cash from the Troika is shipped in to run our country.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:40 am 
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shipped in and out again, i think its a version of money laundering

the irish bailout has some very uncanny similarities to the Greek bailout ie paying banks for debts that shouldnt be paid

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