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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:26 pm 
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Any word on the commencement order for the legalisation?

From yesterday's Irish Times:
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...the Property Services (Regulation) Act 2011 (which is awaiting a ministerial commencement order) will license and regulate property managing agents...

No sign of it in Iris Oifigiúil:http://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/


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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:43 pm 
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Georgian Dublin wrote:
watch+wait wrote:
Any word on the commencement order for the legalisation?

From yesterday's Irish Times:
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...the Property Services (Regulation) Act 2011 (which is awaiting a ministerial commencement order) will license and regulate property managing agents...

No sign of it in Iris Oifigiúil:http://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/


Is there any point in emailing Alan Shatter?

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:23 pm 
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National Property Price Register Clarification

buyersbroker wrote:
Section 86 of the Property Services (Regulation) Act 2011, which, subject
to commencement, provides the legal basis on which this Authority will
produce the property price register.

86.—(1) The Authority shall, as soon as is practicable after the
commencement of this section, maintain and publish particulars of
residential property sales prices in the State, including—
(a) the address of the property,
(b) the price at which the property was sold, and
(c) the date of the sale of the property.



Is says the data above will be published, free of charge on the web, for each property sold.
However the data will not contain the vendors names.

Anybody know if this is making progress?

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:30 pm 
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When the hell is it going to commence?


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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:50 pm 
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@Dreaded_Estate - refer Section 86 paragraph 1 :lol:

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The Authority shall, as soon as is practicable after the
commencement of this section, maintain and publish particulars of
residential property sales prices in the State


Which is code for as soon as all professional political lobbyist views are received, reviewed and any considerations are taken into account.

Fudge, smoke screens, mirrors. Dáil questions are now required.

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:42 pm 
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Dreaded_Estate wrote:
When the hell is it going to commence?
From last Thursday's (Feb 9th) Irish Times:
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So, at last, the Property Services (Regulation) Act 2011 is now the law, but the wait still goes on. We are now waiting for what are called commencement orders to be signed by Minister for Justice Alan Shatter to activate the various parts of the new law.
This will only be done when the members of the Property Services Regulatory Authority are appointed. “Applications are being assessed,” according to the Department of Justice. No time frame is given.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/property/2012/0209/1224311515123.html


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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:48 pm 
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Georgian Dublin wrote:
Dreaded_Estate wrote:
When the hell is it going to commence?
From last Thursday's (Feb 9th) Irish Times:
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So, at last, the Property Services (Regulation) Act 2011 is now the law, but the wait still goes on. We are now waiting for what are called commencement orders to be signed by Minister for Justice Alan Shatter to activate the various parts of the new law.
This will only be done when the members of the Property Services Regulatory Authority are appointed. “Applications are being assessed,” according to the Department of Justice. No time frame is given.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/property/2012/0209/1224311515123.html



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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:58 pm 
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An email query to the NPRSA asking when would the database is available came back this week with this reply to me:

"The legislation was signed into law by the President on the 20th December.
No commencement dates for the Act have been set yet. Until such time I am unable to give you an estimate when the Register will be up and running."


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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:50 am 
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bookworm wrote:
An email query to the NPRSA asking when would the database is available came back this week with this reply to me:

"The legislation was signed into law by the President on the 20th December.
No commencement dates for the Act have been set yet. Until such time I am unable to give you an estimate when the Register will be up and running."


:( Well thats disappointing!
Did someone just pluck June out of the air or was that from a genuine source?


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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:25 am 
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born_in_may wrote:
bookworm wrote:
An email query to the NPRSA asking when would the database is available came back this week with this reply to me:

"The legislation was signed into law by the President on the 20th December.
No commencement dates for the Act have been set yet. Until such time I am unable to give you an estimate when the Register will be up and running."


:( Well thats disappointing!
Did someone just pluck June out of the air or was that from a genuine source?


It was the CEO of NPRSA who said June.

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:33 pm 
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Just off the phone to the NPSRA: was told they are waiting for the minister to sign off on collecting and collating the data (a 'commencements order'?), and that once that's done that they'll have to await the minister's signature on publishing the data/making it public.

I mentioned June had been a suggested goal for this to happen, and while the person I spoke to neither confirmed nor denied this timeline, he did not sound optomistic.

*sighs*

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:03 pm 
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There is no technical issue; The NPSRA needs to go active first in its full right, then the database can be started. This is politics not tech.

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:58 pm 
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Duisigh wrote:
There is no technical issue; The NPSRA needs to go active first in its full right, then the database can be started. This is politics not tech.


So should we all start e-mailing Alan Shatter urging him to push it along?

Or are there unavoidable hoops and red tape that need to be walked through at a snails pace due to the way our democracy functions?

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:37 pm 
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You'd like to think that someone has decided on the particulars of the inter-agency data exchange that needs to happen, has designed the headings on the poxy spreadsheet columns, and all that remains for the day the commencement order is signed is to press the Publish button. Is that too much to expect?

This being Oirland, the answer is almost certain yes. :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: New property prices database
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:00 pm 
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Obvious silly question - where is the data going to come from? Stamp duty forms from the Revenue?

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