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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:04 pm 
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What is the story on the Q-City project in India has it been resolved??

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OH YES YOU WERE!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fin ... 47355.html

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A NEPHEW of bankrupt businessman Seán Quinn has denied being the “mastermind” of a strategy to put multimillion-euro assets of the Quinn family beyond the reach of Anglo Irish Bank


WEEEEELL maybe "Mastermind" is a bit harsh. Somebody had to trawl Belize and Ras al Khaimah and like places for shell companies all the same. :nin

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Mr Quinn also said Seán Quinn snr had never discussed Galfis matters with him. His uncle, when signing assignments of valuable loans to Mr Gurnyak, had “put his faith in me” and was “not big into detail”.


Oh God! I must get off my arse, book a day off and go to Dublin for this one. :D

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What is the story on the Q-City project in India has it been resolved??

I don't think so, I think this is going through the Nicosia courts and my understanding is that it's frozen by the Irish injunction. There's a good piece here by Simon Carswell:
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[The Quinn family's] injunction in Nicosia stops Anglo interfering with the family’s properties in Cyprus or Russia, but Anglo’s injunction in Dublin freezes the corporate structure worldwide as it covers Quinn Investment Sweden, the property group’s ultimate parent company, and the various family members.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fin ... 92769.html

The drama in Ukraine was covered in the Irish Times a couple of weeks ago, but still this is a good read, straight from ground zero: "Management change at Ukraina Shopping Center" In fact all the press releases are interesting...
(Cheat sheet: "Mr Rostislav Levinzon" is IBRC's choice for CEO of the Ukraina mall, "Ms Larysa Yanez Puga" is old firm.)


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By the new GarlicMan standard, an attempt to thieve $130m should be worth about 500 years in jail.


I can see the emergence of Pin Garlic slang e.g.

"That geezer is looking at 500 cloves if he did that!"


The sums discussed are indeed impressive. Here's how they rate on the Garlic Scale:

http://cslacker.com/images/view/8274


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BANKRUPT businessman Sean Quinn senior and his nephew signed documents in Russian, which neither could read


Ah, a variant of the Mansfield Defence. They shall be collectively known as the "Can't read, won't read" gambit.

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BANKRUPT businessman Sean Quinn senior and his nephew signed documents in Russian, which neither could read


Ah, a variant of the Mansfield Defence. They shall be collectively known as the "Can't read, won't read" gambit.

How much more do they have to say before we can call them 'stupid' without being libellous? As in, the well-known village idiot...

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How much more do they have to say before we can call them 'stupid' without being libellous? As in, the well-known village idiot...


This is an interesting question, we can call them 'disorganised' I suppose. :)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre ... ing37.html

( rather long article as yours truly was in the stand all day....again.)

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Mr Quinn said Aoife Quinn had subsequently told him that it had been an “oversight” on her part not to tell the Cypriot court that she was a director of the Cypriot companies the application concerned.


Certainly higher up the food chain than any Mansfield or any Mansfield totty that comes to mind.

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http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0330/belfas ... -void.html
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A STG100 million debt assignment by a company formerly run by bankrupt tycoon Sean Quinn "smacks irresistibly of an orchestrated, elaborate and illicit charade", a High Court judge in Belfast ruled today.

Mr Justice McCloskey held that the transfer to a Belize-registered company had no purpose other than to put the assets beyond the reach of legitimate creditors.

He declared the transactions unlawful, null and void.

The judge, sitting in Belfast, found that a date on all of the 29 assignments was "plainly fabricated" and unlawfully backdated.

Even if wrong in his main decision, he said the transfers were still invalidated on the ground that Mr Quinn therefore acted "in blatant disregard of his fiduciary duty."
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What's the form in commercial law for taking other transactions into consideration?

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What's the form in commercial law for taking other transactions into consideration?

...and is there any legal consequence for making concerted efforts to deprive your creditors of their dues and trying to feather the nests of your relatives?


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What a shambolic outfit. Peter Quinn presumably got his position because of who he was rather than what he knew. I can't imagine any other member of our business elite putting an ex-footballing nephew in such a sensitive position.

And on top of the Cyprus/Ukraine amateur-hour, the lads got themselves into a contempt case! The one thing the beaks take seriously!

A capable team would surely have strung this out over 15 years instead of "be here on Monday at 9AM and you face jail".

I apologise for breaching the no-smug-rule but this is hilarious really.


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I apologise for breaching the no-smug-rule but this is hilarious really.

Oh, the rule only applies to normal people.

So, when can we call them crooked? Not yet, I'm guessing?

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Here is how the non-normal people do things.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fin ... 62810.html

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A €19 MILLION property in Russia was sold by a Seán Quinn family company to another company for about €2,500 in a transaction allegedly “orchestrated” by a son-in-law of the bankrupt businessman, the High Court was told yesterday.

Paul Gallagher SC, for the former Anglo Irish Bank, suggested to Peter Darragh Quinn, a nephew of Mr Quinn, the sale of the property was orchestrated by Stephen Kelly, husband of Aoife Quinn, a daughter of Mr Quinn, and would only be logical if the purchasing company was connected to the Quinn family.

Peter Quinn said he was not involved in the matter and added perhaps there was no logical or commercial sense involved.


Course if someone came to normal ole 2Pack with a €19m asset for only €2.5k offer then 2Pack would take it, Normal dude that I am. :nin

Peter won't get too many invites to cerrtain christenings and communions going forward I reckons.

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Peter Quinn agreed, when he swore an affidavit in the injunction proceedings, he did so on behalf of all the Quinn defendants. He said he addressed matters within his own knowledge in that affidavit and had not asked the other defendants about matters not within his knowledge.


Seans senior and junior are in the witness box next week, 2Packs diary is nearly clear for the fun bits. But just like any Quinn I can guarantee nothing ...yet. Perhaps Aoife will be there, that would be lovely. :D

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Here is how the non-normal people do things.


On a separate, but related topic, I had lunch the other day with a friend of mine who is in negative equity to the tune of over €1m.

Both himself and the wife are working so, I can only assume all finances are in order.

Nevertheless, he asked me, were I in his position, what would I do ?

My mind was immediately cast back 10 years to a boss I had in London who always said 'if you want to be rich, examine and copy what the rich do'.

So I told him I would move to the UK and declare bankrupcy.

Am I wrong ?


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Barney Gumble wrote:
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What's the form in commercial law for taking other transactions into consideration?

...and is there any legal consequence for making concerted efforts to deprive your creditors of their dues and trying to feather the nests of your relatives?



There is is well tested priniciple of fradulent conveyance. Very commonly used by creditors in US/UK corporate bankruptcy. It should be enshrined in Irish Companies Acts as it is in other developed countries. but the fact that it hasnt been mentioned in the reporting on the case makes me a little worried that we dont have legislation that covers it. would have thought it was a common law principle tho.

"A transfer will be fraudulent if made with actual intent to hinder, delay or defraud any creditor. Thus, if a transfer is made with the specific intent to avoid satisfying a specific liability, then actual intent is present. However, when a debtor prefers to pay one creditor instead of another that is not a fraudulent transfer.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudulent_conveyance


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What's the form in commercial law for taking other transactions into consideration?

...and is there any legal consequence for making concerted efforts to deprive your creditors of their dues and trying to feather the nests of your relatives?



There is is well tested priniciple of fradulent conveyance. Very commonly used by creditors in US/UK corporate bankruptcy. It should be enshrined in Irish Companies Acts as it is in other developed countries. but the fact that it hasnt been mentioned in the reporting on the case makes me a little worried that we dont have legislation that covers it. would have thought it was a common law principle tho.

"A transfer will be fraudulent if made with actual intent to hinder, delay or defraud any creditor. Thus, if a transfer is made with the specific intent to avoid satisfying a specific liability, then actual intent is present. However, when a debtor prefers to pay one creditor instead of another that is not a fraudulent transfer.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudulent_conveyance

But will the fact that they've been found guilty of one, lower the standard of proof for others?

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