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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:05 pm 
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That was an interesting Nama Wine Lake article. You don't read much stuff like that in the papers, do you? :x



It's almost as if the manner in which NWL operates, points to the future of journalism.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:08 pm 
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Independent News & Media Closing Belfast Telegraph Evening Edition

http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home ... d0d9070158

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The Belfast Telegraph, which started a morning edition in 2005, is to stop producing an evening edition.
The BBC reported that the paper would switch to morning editions only from this Friday.

Owned by Independent News & Media, the Belfast Telegraph reported average circulation of 53,771 in the second half of 2011, a drop of 8.1 per cent.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:13 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
Newspapers can only survive as part of an overall media/business group.
Individually, they are loss-makers, but can find use in promoting other (profitable) areas, as well as being used for political leverage.

They are a tool to be used within an overall business empire, but have ceased to be an empire themselves.

I thought both the Irish/Sunday Independent were very profitable in their own right.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:16 pm 
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Landlord wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
Newspapers can only survive as part of an overall media/business group.
Individually, they are loss-makers, but can find use in promoting other (profitable) areas, as well as being used for political leverage.

They are a tool to be used within an overall business empire, but have ceased to be an empire themselves.

I thought both the Irish/Sunday Independent were very profitable in their own right.


Don't believe the O'Reilly hype ...

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The hype
“All of our titles are profitable”

The reality
In 2011 IN&M made a full year net loss of €41m after a €95m exceptional loss. Its turnover fell in 2011 by €68m from €626m to €558m. It is balance-sheet insolvent with net liabilities of €23m. It has net debt of €427m. It is worth saying that practically all of Ireland’s main media companies are currently loss-making from RTE with an expected €17m deficit in 2011, to Crosbie Holdings which publishes the Irish Examiner and Sunday Business Post to Denis O’Brien’s Communicorp and the Irish Times group – TV3 had a good year in 2010 but we await 2011 results and the company is reported to be sitting on a debt mountain which has been parked in agreement with banks. So whilst IN&M’s finances mightn’t look healthy to you, its competitors are also suffering.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:17 pm 
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fungus wrote:
Independent News & Media Closing Belfast Telegraph Evening Edition

http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home ... d0d9070158

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The Belfast Telegraph, which started a morning edition in 2005, is to stop producing an evening edition.
The BBC reported that the paper would switch to morning editions only from this Friday.

Owned by Independent News & Media, the Belfast Telegraph reported average circulation of 53,771 in the second half of 2011, a drop of 8.1 per cent.



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The Belfast Telegraph, Northern Ireland's leading newspaper, was acquired from Trinity Mirror during the year for UK£295 million.


regarded as a very rich price even at the time


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:21 pm 
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fungus wrote:
Landlord wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
Newspapers can only survive as part of an overall media/business group.
Individually, they are loss-makers, but can find use in promoting other (profitable) areas, as well as being used for political leverage.

They are a tool to be used within an overall business empire, but have ceased to be an empire themselves.

I thought both the Irish/Sunday Independent were very profitable in their own right.


Don't believe the O'Reilly hype ...

Quote:
The hype
“All of our titles are profitable”

The reality
In 2011 IN&M made a full year net loss of €41m after a €95m exceptional loss. Its turnover fell in 2011 by €68m from €626m to €558m. It is balance-sheet insolvent with net liabilities of €23m. It has net debt of €427m. It is worth saying that practically all of Ireland’s main media companies are currently loss-making from RTE with an expected €17m deficit in 2011, to Crosbie Holdings which publishes the Irish Examiner and Sunday Business Post to Denis O’Brien’s Communicorp and the Irish Times group – TV3 had a good year in 2010 but we await 2011 results and the company is reported to be sitting on a debt mountain which has been parked in agreement with banks. So whilst IN&M’s finances mightn’t look healthy to you, its competitors are also suffering.


The loss relates to the group rather than the 2 independent titles which I believe are still making net profit of 20%+


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:28 pm 
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Landlord wrote:
fungus wrote:
Landlord wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
Newspapers can only survive as part of an overall media/business group.
Individually, they are loss-makers, but can find use in promoting other (profitable) areas, as well as being used for political leverage.

They are a tool to be used within an overall business empire, but have ceased to be an empire themselves.

I thought both the Irish/Sunday Independent were very profitable in their own right.


Don't believe the O'Reilly hype ...

Quote:
The hype
“All of our titles are profitable”

The reality
In 2011 IN&M made a full year net loss of €41m after a €95m exceptional loss. Its turnover fell in 2011 by €68m from €626m to €558m. It is balance-sheet insolvent with net liabilities of €23m. It has net debt of €427m. It is worth saying that practically all of Ireland’s main media companies are currently loss-making from RTE with an expected €17m deficit in 2011, to Crosbie Holdings which publishes the Irish Examiner and Sunday Business Post to Denis O’Brien’s Communicorp and the Irish Times group – TV3 had a good year in 2010 but we await 2011 results and the company is reported to be sitting on a debt mountain which has been parked in agreement with banks. So whilst IN&M’s finances mightn’t look healthy to you, its competitors are also suffering.


The loss relates to the group rather than the 2 independent titles which I believe are still making net profit of 20%+


We will see how long the apparent profit lasts. Circulation is nose diving year after year and currently at over 10% y-o-y, no clear digital strategy, advertising still declining and they are part of a company with unsustainable debt and unsustainable pension liabilities.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:59 am 
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How much of the losses in the Irish media industry are caused by RTE?

As in .... does RTE drive down advertising prices etc as a result of the benefit of the licence fee funding and as a result force other media to take a hit?


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:21 am 
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magoko102 wrote:
How much of the losses in the Irish media industry are caused by RTE?

As in .... does RTE drive down advertising prices etc as a result of the benefit of the licence fee funding and as a result force other media to take a hit?



Not just RTE but you have the Broadcasting Quango in the equation also -> http://www.bai.ie/?page_id=1943

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:44 pm 
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The Sunday Business Port reports today that IN&M now have 15 million EUR in cash left from over 40 million EUR a year ago. Also, IN&M are reviewing their policy on using bulk free copies to inflate Indo and Herald circulation figures.

The Sunday Times reports that IN&M might do another rights issue later this year which will further dilute shareholders.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:41 pm 
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I'm no defender of the O' Reilly, Fanning and Own Arse axis in the Indo but who shall we see writing in the Sindo once Dennis O' Brien asserts control. Anyone for more Sarah Carey for example.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Neglected in all this talk is the extent to which the South Dublin newspapers, especially the Irish Times, are currently supported by the State. If you look at the IT business section on a Friday, most of the ads are from State agencies. This, I imagine, is largely due to an inflated sense of self-importance on the part of the advertiser.
Then there are purchases. Most, if not all, public sector employees above a certain grade are "entitled" to a free paper every day. This despite the fact that they are all free online. I know of one small agency where 12 copies of the IT are delivered every day. I don't know how much that rag costs, but it is in the region of €2.
So we get 2 x 12 = €24 a day of taxpayers money wasted in just one of our 800+ quangos. That amounts to €120 a week, or €6,240 a year. That is just under €5 million if all 800 quangos got the same amount of papers. And that excludes the Civil Service. Quite a subsidy for a paper in financial difficulties. And, at 9,600 purchases, a nice little circulation booster.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:10 pm 
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pyrite manor wrote:
I'm no defender of the O' Reilly, Fanning and Own Arse axis in the Indo but who shall we see writing in the Sindo once Dennis O' Brien asserts control. Anyone for more Sarah Carey for example.



I'm no defender of O'Brien but I would struggle to see how the Indo could not get better rather than worse, editorially, under new management.


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 3:06 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Newspaper Industry
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:52 am 
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The Irish Times have published their 2011 results.

  • The Irish Times made a loss, for 2011, after exceptional items, of 1,000,000 EUR.
  • Management are concerned about the further drop in circulation that they have seen in 2012.
  • Management are concerned about the further drop in advertising sales that they have seen in 2012.
  • The Irish Times are to cut the size of the paper and modify printing presses.
  • The Irish Times cash balance was 10,000,000 EUR as at 31 December 2011 down from 11,000,000 EUR as at 31 December 2010.
  • The Irish Times are looking to sell their investment in local newspapers.

Source: Sunday Times.

Overall bad news, but they are not burning cash as quickly as some expected.


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