We received a telegram from Enda's Winning Team expressing their growing disappointment with the results of our Fiscal Compact Treaty poll. So dawning the Green jersey and doing our bit for Queen and Country we ask you pinsters to have another roll of the dice.

Poll closes 18th.

If I could vote, it would be a resounding NO!

While its clearly the best option and the fiscal pact will likely be scuppered by some other Euro-area member I dont know if I'd vote 'Yes'.

The establishment, from the politicos to the mandrins to the cops in Ireland need a seriously fucking hard kick in the arse.

A huge 'No' vote in the first with an acceptance in the second would be the best option IMO.

There won't be a second round.

12 ratifications only are needed for the Treaty to enter into force. Those are in place already. Voting no will give no one ' a fucking hard kick in the arse' except every person resident in Ireland. It may well be that all of us need a collective kick in the arse, but don't come whinging if the whole place falls apart when the Germans/IMF/EUSF tells us to fuck off when we ask for a dig out mid 2013 to pay basic ps salaries and unemployment benefits

Why can't we vote No just to show we have the balls to do so. Then ratify it when we need the money?

Because it doesn't work that way. This is not an EU Treaty that needs unanimity (i.e. all 27) to ratify. It needs 12 out of the 25/26 signed up. The ones that don't ratify, don't ratify. We are essentially being asked whether we want to take seriously the tenets of the Stability and Growth Pact which we politically signed up to when we joined the Euro. If our answer is no, that is fine - we can fuck off out of the euro then. We don't necessarily get another chance to change our minds this time.

I think the Irish populace underestimate the extent to which the rest of the 450 million citizens of the EU are pretty bored by 4 million non-entities holding them hostage and utterly uninterested in our faux-nationalistic 'we'll take a pretend principled stance til someone pays us off' posturing. The extent to which Pinsters, who universally excoriate Cowen and Ahern, buy into the 'Ireland punches above its weight' nonsense never ceases to amaze me.

Only 3 countries have as yet ratified the treaty Slovenia, Portugal and Greece. I don't mean to be contrarian but I will be voting no for exactly the reasons you will be voting yes it seems, i.e. the public service bit you mentioned.

The ratification procedures of the remaining 21/22 countries are winding their way through their respective Parliaments. We are the only country in which there is a referendum and in which the outcome is in any way in doubt. Except Greece of course - but that doesn't change the fact that at least 24 MS will ratify this Treaty before the end of the year.

If you want the country and the PS to fall apart, that's fine. I repeat, just don't whinge when there is no one in the A & E and no public transport and no teachers in schools and no guards on the street. Contrary to popular opinion, most PS will continue to do their best under increasingly shite terms and conditions but I don't know of any who will (or can) do so if they are not paid at all.

panic in Dolier street!!

Collins fawning over Martin
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opi ... 81728.html

the ridiculous editorial thats too shallow even for Cruiser/Myers brigade
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opi ... 82060.html

and the new Desperate Dan whos having a shitfit if we dont keep bending over
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fin ... 06226.html

somebody is worried , one can but hope people will finally grow a pair

Is this the poll for the second vote?
Anyway the answer's still "can't."



I worked unpaid for a few months at the end of my last contract in the public sector, but I'll admit that it was just a stopgap while I was job hunting. Working unpaid (at least part time) whether in the private or public sector, is better than not working but still unpaid. The former is unremunerative, the latter utterly mind-numbing.

Make no mistake I won't be whinging.I long for the day when this selfish class walks out, for it will be a day when reality dawns, when lessons will be learnt. I'm fed up with threats, they are a precious protected and living in cloud cockoo land, their and your threats are as empty as the " no cash in the ATM " crap peddled by the ruling class. Bring it on!

Dear God, please, please, please make that come true! I would love to see that happen.

Still undecided. None of the ULA/SF crap about a no vote somehow relieving austerity makes any sense though there's precious few tangible arguments in favour of the pact either. It comes down to whether we want to close our defecit in a gradual and controlled manner, which I'm not sure is even possible given its magnitude, or just rip the plaster off with a brief period of intense pain as we balance our budgets followed by a return to normality (where deficits are minimal and the property and banking sectors no longer drain the productive economy of all its life). The latter has to involve massive spending cuts across the board and broad based tax increases, no exemptions, no protected sectors and a smashing open of the barriers to entry (read protection of incumbents interests) to professions such as law and medicine. Add in term limits for politicians with a drastic cut in numbers in the dail and seanad with maybe 10 regional authorities to replace all current local authorities.

should we vote no and we run out of money to pay for our current level of public spending, we wont have no public service. Qualified doctors will still work as doctors, ditto guards, teachers, nurses, firemen etc. sure, some will emigrate, others may re-qualify, but the vast majority wont simply because they cant for various reasons. A no vote will force us to accept reality - we are living way beyond our means - on borrowed money, this charade will end at some stage anyway as it is unsustainable, politicians simply dont wish for it to happen on their watch and ultimately will kick the can down the road as long as they can. Ignoring reality when tackling any problem is generally a recipe for disaster.

Good and Good.
Yes I do hope that there won't be a second round but this being Ireland there will be a Post Vote EurOmeter VirtuoMeter Paddyometer Poll carried out where the result will (if it's a NO) be declared to be void and there will be a secon and third and if necessary fourth vote by the powers that be to ensure that we get a Yes.

I'm a public servant and very very dependant on my public sector salary to keep me alive and afloat in this expensive world.
I'm also unsure that the same group of uselesses who run this country will be in any way affected if we vote NO but I know that they will be less affected if we vote YES

As Gilmore said if you vote NO there will be consequences.

I want consequences as I'm fed up of the type of shite that I see in Ireland (both in the private and public sector) and this population needs a drastic wake up from it's celtic tiger ways!