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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:08 pm 
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Re. Sailing, it's probably not too expensive to participate locally and I often regret not getting involved in college (instead of sticking to the cockfest sports I already knew :) ) but qualifying for the Olympics is very expensive, I knew of one guy who tried to qualify before.

You need to enter a load of competitions around the world so you need 3 boats and associated gear on different continents (well America and Europe anyway) you need to pay somene to transport your gear say, from Connecticut to Florida while you fly back to Euope and do some comp there. I'm probably exaggerating but I know yer man was passing the begging bowl in front of some guys I know well despite getting Gov funding and having very sympathetic company founders - I wasn't asked but would have given fairly short shrift


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Getting back to the cost benefit analysis this site has good information on the performance of countries relative to their populations/GDP etc.


http://simon.forsyth.net/olympics.html



Very interesting, thanks. I especially like the GDP tables.

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The BBC is channelling the 'pin... again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:06 pm 
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My understanding is that most of the high performance funding isn't necessarily for equipment - it's for high-end trainging: sports psychologists; fancy dieticians; fancy sessions with video analysis etc. The stuff that makes a tiny but important difference at the international level. Well-funded field sports probably have access to this already, but smaller national sports don't.


+1 I believe this is where a lot of the Tennis funding goes. Part of the problem with that sport, as with golf, is the clubs being relatively exclusive though. There aren't good enough public tennis facilities around for kids of the lower socio-economic groups to use and to be honest, it's poorer kids who are probably more likely to dedicate their lives to getting good at a sport if they're talented. They don't have as many other options or family pressure to go into a more solid career as middle-class/ wealthier kids who might be less focussed. If they're well-heeled, middle-class kids, you might spend a load of money on them when they're juniors but, even if they're really talented, they might drop out of the sport as young adults for these reasons.

Also, while you can divide a tennis court into two or three mini-courts for the small children who are just starting out, when they get to play tennis proper it's only two to a court for singles which is a lot of space and time to dedicate to only a small number of players and when most of the court space is in clubs, the kids have to get out of the way for the paying adult members who want to use them for recreation. Bigger field sports are more economical in that way - you can pack more kids on to them at a time.


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The BBC is channelling the 'pin... again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983


I admit I haven't had time to read the entire article but I would say that asking how much the medal is 'worth' in monetary terms misses the point a little. Fluffy-sounding I know but the 'inspiration' is worth a lot (if you want people to get involved in sports that is). How much is it 'worth' inspiring the population to get more interested in participating in sport? Sports need 'stars' to inspire the younger generation. The success of the Irish rugby team has increased the popularity of that sport. I wouldn't be surprised if cricket has become a little more popular now too in recent years.

I'm not even really interested in sport. I can't believe I've written two posts defending sports funding in the last few minutes. :o


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yoganmahew wrote:
The BBC is channelling the 'pin... again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983


I admit I haven't had time to read the entire article but I would say that asking how much the medal is 'worth' in monetary terms misses the point a little. Fluffy-sounding I know but the 'inspiration' is worth a lot (if you want people to get involved in sports that is). How much is it 'worth' inspiring the population to get more interested in participating in sport? Sports need 'stars' to inspire the younger generation. The success of the Irish rugby team has increased the popularity of that sport. I wouldn't be surprised if cricket has become a little more popular now too in recent years.

I'm not even really interested in sport. I can't believe I've written two posts defending sports funding in the last few minutes. :o


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Sport bores me rigid, but as long as it's reasonably economical, I'm amenable to a Bread and Circuses argument.

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Madness of Crowds wrote:
Sport bores me rigid, but as long as it's reasonably economical, I'm amenable to a Bread and Circuses argument.


I don't think it was a bread and circuses argument.

"Sport bores me rigid" is an incredibly broad statement. Do you do part-take in any leisure activities at all, that could be even marginally defined as "sport"? Walking? Cycling? Playing chess?


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yoganmahew wrote:
The BBC is channelling the 'pin... again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983


I admit I haven't had time to read the entire article but I would say that asking how much the medal is 'worth' in monetary terms misses the point a little. Fluffy-sounding I know but the 'inspiration' is worth a lot (if you want people to get involved in sports that is). How much is it 'worth' inspiring the population to get more interested in participating in sport? Sports need 'stars' to inspire the younger generation. The success of the Irish rugby team has increased the popularity of that sport. I wouldn't be surprised if cricket has become a little more popular now too in recent years.

I'm not even really interested in sport. I can't believe I've written two posts defending sports funding in the last few minutes. :o

It's looking at it from the other side, how much does it 'cost' to win a medal and thereby provide that role-model/inspiration.

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Madness of Crowds wrote:
Sport bores me rigid, but as long as it's reasonably economical, I'm amenable to a Bread and Circuses argument.


I don't think it was a bread and circuses argument.

"Sport bores me rigid" is an incredibly broad statement. Do you do part-take in any leisure activities at all, that could be even marginally defined as "sport"? Walking? Cycling? Playing chess?


I walk as a means of locomotion, to get somewhere I want to be, but that's about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:25 pm 
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Madness of Crowds wrote:
Sport bores me rigid.

Perhaps you could consider trying out a few different sports, you could surprise yourself, and obviously improve your health.
...
Highly regarded doc on the Afghan cricket team: http://www.outoftheashes.tv/the-movie.html
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And I'm going to put forward another sport for the 'dangerous' category. Hillwalking/mountaineering. Irish people die every now and then, home and abroad:

13 nationwide in 2008: http://www.emigrant.ie/index.php?option ... Itemid=232
3 in Wicklow in 2006: http://www.wicklowmountainrescue.ie/ind ... &Itemid=50
K2 and Everest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ger_McDonnell
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 03965.html
I'm pretty sure that, in addition to suicide, some people get blown off the Cliffs of Moher: http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Eu ... -BR-1.html


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 Post subject: Re: How much does the Olympics cost us?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:32 pm 
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InForADime wrote:
Madness of Crowds wrote:
Sport bores me rigid.

Perhaps you could consider trying out a few different sports, you could surprise yourself, and obviously improve your health.
...
Highly regarded doc on the Afghan cricket team: http://www.outoftheashes.tv/the-movie.html
...
And I'm going to put forward another sport for the 'dangerous' category. Hillwalking/mountaineering. Irish people die every now and then, home and abroad:

13 nationwide in 2008: http://www.emigrant.ie/index.php?option ... Itemid=232
3 in Wicklow in 2006: http://www.wicklowmountainrescue.ie/ind ... &Itemid=50
K2 and Everest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ger_McDonnell
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 03965.html
I'm pretty sure that, in addition to suicide, some people get blown off the Cliffs of Moher: http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Eu ... -BR-1.html



I had many varieties of sport inflicted on me at school. I hated every single moment of it.

Exertion in the cause of a useful end (i.e. manual labour), I can deal with. Exertion to no purpose (i.e. sport) leaves me with a sense of having totally wasted the time and effort involved, in producing nothing apart from physical discomfort.

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 Post subject: Re: How much does the Olympics cost us?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:38 pm 
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yoganmahew wrote:
The BBC is channelling the 'pin... again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983


I admit I haven't had time to read the entire article but I would say that asking how much the medal is 'worth' in monetary terms misses the point a little. Fluffy-sounding I know but the 'inspiration' is worth a lot (if you want people to get involved in sports that is). How much is it 'worth' inspiring the population to get more interested in participating in sport? Sports need 'stars' to inspire the younger generation. The success of the Irish rugby team has increased the popularity of that sport. I wouldn't be surprised if cricket has become a little more popular now too in recent years.

I'm not even really interested in sport. I can't believe I've written two posts defending sports funding in the last few minutes. :o

It's looking at it from the other side, how much does it 'cost' to win a medal and thereby provide that role-model/inspiration.


Fair enough. It would be interesting to see a comparison between countries and how much they spend to achieve the same results though I think it would be most useful to see a comparison of 'like for like' in as much as possible e.g. Western European countries against each other for example where coaching costs and such might be more easily comparable. The LTA in Britain for example has a pretty big income I believe yet they still don't tend to have as many high-performing stars as other European countries despite running the highest profile and probably most 'inspirational' Grand Slam championships of them all. That can't just be down to the weather. Maybe it has something to do with the club system/ elite nature of the sport (perhaps). In Ireland tennis has the same sort of old-fashioned club system.
Sorry to go back to tennis again for example. It's the only sport I know anything much about... :oops:


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Sorry to go back to tennis again for example. It's the only sport I know anything much about... :oops:


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