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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:03 am 
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FreeFallin wrote:
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Aside from the proposed cashless system, greener buses and new routes.....is this just effectively just a proposal to widen key roads to accommodate wider bus lanes in each direction?

And dedicated bike lanes.

As far as I'm concerned this will just create more road space and less greenery. More road space in Ireland = more cars.
we don't police the bus lanes we have currently and I have no doubt we won't police the new improved versions in the future. So there may be some improvements in time but a lot of that will be lost to the private cars who know they can disobey the rules of the road without any consequences.


You beat me to it. I don't see this being any improvement to the current position without proper policing of the bus lanes. There needs to be serious fines for those who don't obey them. And I mean serious fines.
All an expanded road is going to do is accommodate more cars.


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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:26 am 
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I think the BRT lanes will/should have some physical separation?


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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:45 pm 
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slasher wrote:
I think the BRT lanes will/should have some physical separation?


This is what the typical road layout will look like. The Cyclepaths appear to be defined from the path and the road but the bus lanes look same as now.

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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:38 pm 
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tulip wrote:
slasher wrote:
I think the BRT lanes will/should have some physical separation?


This is what the typical road layout will look like. The Cyclepaths appear to be defined from the path and the road but the bus lanes look same as now.



BRT goes above and beyond this

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2.4.1 Running Ways
The running way (BRT lane) is the most important aspect of the BRT system. This is what
enables the BRT services to operate reliably and at high speed. For a BRT system, the
primary requirement is to have very high levels of, if not full, segregation from all other traffic.
Physical separation from general traffic will prevent encroachment. Running ways normally fall
into three categories:
• Dedicated bus road;
• Median dedicated lanes in the centre of the road; and
• Lateral dedicated lanes located at the edge of the road.
A dedicated bus road category is typically associated with high capacity BRT systems while
the median and lateral dedicated lanes categories are associated with moderate capacity BRT
systems on which the proposed Dublin BRT system concept should be based. Local conditions
and constraints on particular corridors will determine the exact location of the dedicated lanes.
Typically it is not possible to have dedicated bus roads that penetrate a city centre, such as
Dublin, due to space constraints.
Figure 6 and Figure 7 illustrate typical configurations for median and lateral running


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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:22 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
25k per sqm is absolute insanity


Sign of the times in Capital City Dublin. A crazy place. Filled with crazy people led by a crazy hierarchy?

More importantly that valuation includes the "up to" clause...

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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:28 pm 
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Bubblecovery wrote:
No body likes to give up things, especially when its the fruits of a century of growth to your city which you have benefited from hugely in regard to jobs, local infrastructure and the fact your crappy house is now worth the same as a mansion 50 km west.

How long before this collapses due to costs and the bottom up tyranny of objections?


But what if the home owner, let's not forget this is about a person and potentially their families dwelling space, had made a significant life investment, let's say paying approximately 50% of their income on a monthly basis for 20 years to buy their home which came at a huge cost?

Also, it may not be a "crappy house" as you say but a house that did receive further investment and improvement, including the garden.

We are truly well into the stage where government in this country, as may others, but we take the biscuit here, just cuts things their own way. The city centre chock a block with activities yet there is significant lack of willingness to relocate the bigger employers, especially the state services out of the city centre to the suburbs. There are solutions, cost effective ones but not ones that are going to be implemented.

There's some other story at the back of this no doubt.

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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:30 pm 
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wii4miinow wrote:
We are truly well into the stage where government in this country, as may others, but we take the biscuit here, just cuts things their own way. The city centre chock a block with activities yet there is significant lack of willingness to relocate the bigger employers, especially the state services out of the city centre to the suburbs. There are solutions, cost effective ones but not ones that are going to be implemented.

There's some other story at the back of this no doubt.


Thats all true but we still need a better bus system, this bus plan will be like the Luas, the usual people will find problems with it before it starts, they will moan about it while its being built but then once its finished we all wonder why it wasn't done 20 or 30 years ago

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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:07 am 
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wii4miinow wrote:
Bubblecovery wrote:
No body likes to give up things, especially when its the fruits of a century of growth to your city which you have benefited from hugely in regard to jobs, local infrastructure and the fact your crappy house is now worth the same as a mansion 50 km west.

How long before this collapses due to costs and the bottom up tyranny of objections?


But what if the home owner, let's not forget this is about a person and potentially their families dwelling space, had made a significant life investment, let's say paying approximately 50% of their income on a monthly basis for 20 years to buy their home which came at a huge cost?

Also, it may not be a "crappy house" as you say but a house that did receive further investment and improvement, including the garden.

We are truly well into the stage where government in this country, as may others, but we take the biscuit here, just cuts things their own way. The city centre chock a block with activities yet there is significant lack of willingness to relocate the bigger employers, especially the state services out of the city centre to the suburbs. There are solutions, cost effective ones but not ones that are going to be implemented.

There's some other story at the back of this no doubt.


Anyone who bought 20 years ago is sitting on a huge tax free gain.

Everyone wants a pain free plan but Dublin suburbs aren't dense enough for an underground metro and the city is choking. The younger generation getting fucked on house prices are paying the pensions of the retired fogies who own the houses closer to town and they're the ones sitting in busses because of the shit planning of the previous generation. The Plebs who can't afford Dart line and Luas line gaffs are spending their lives in traffic not with their families.

Everyone's a libertarian when it comes to their own interests until then it's psuedo socialism


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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:27 am 
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I have done a fair bit of work on my front garden and I am quite attached to it but I would happily take this deal. A few quid (although I am sure its a lot less than the figures quoted), the landscaping of some of the neighbours gardens which can only help the area, a quicker journey into town. I am sure it will increase values except maybe where the only parking space is lost. Even then they are offering to try to find a solution.

I think these sweetheart deals are the key to getting infrastructure to happen. I am familiar with the alternative and it just doesn't work.

I was disappointed to see the Merrion Gates plan dropped despite there being less opposition than support. Maybe we need a way to amplify the existing support for infrastructure proposals so as to balance the well organised and loud objectors.


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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:32 pm 
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wii4miinow wrote:
We are truly well into the stage where government in this country, as may others, but we take the biscuit here, just cuts things their own way. The city centre chock a block with activities yet there is significant lack of willingness to relocate the bigger employers, especially the state services out of the city centre to the suburbs. There are solutions, cost effective ones but not ones that are going to be implemented.

There's some other story at the back of this no doubt.


That just makes things worse. At least going into the city centre it is straightforward to provide public transport (albeit we're not even managing that terribly well on all corridors). If you're shifting people into the suburbs you're guaranteeing gridlock.

The solution to congestion is to put people closer together (to facilitate better public transport, walking and cycling options), not to move them further apart.


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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:12 pm 
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wii4miinow wrote:
The city centre chock a block with activities yet there is significant lack of willingness to relocate the bigger employers, especially the state services out of the city centre to the suburbs. .


There is very little public service employment in Dublin city centre that doesn't have to be.

There was a wave of decentralisation from the 80s to about 2008. Most of the clerical stuff (payroll, grant processing, driver testing, revenue) is done outside Dublin.

What's left is the policy stuff that interacts most with ministers and other stakeholders Dublin based.


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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:19 pm 
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Revenue still have a big office off O'Connell Street. FAS are whatever it's called this week still have a big office on Townsend Street. Probation Service are on the Quays.

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 Post subject: Re: "Bus Connects" CPO plans for Dublin
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:07 pm 
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tulip wrote:
Probation Service are on the Quays.

in fairness that's where their "clients" are


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