i don't believe it! wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
i don't believe it! wrote:
Maybe I'm a bit thick this morning, had a late night, but I don't get the logic of the bit in bold. As I see it you have 26 days 'off' and 19.5 days when you are not in work because you already worked those hours. I cannot see how that makes 45.5 days 'off'. Unless I'm not reading it correctly.
In my experience in the PS, the hours are built up through being rpesent in work rather than having 'worked' them!
So they are in effect holidays.
HiFi- you left off the uncertified sick days, usually around 6 in most PS/CS organisations.
So that's 51.5 days off before you even start on the certified sick days and the Doc's sure aren't shy about writing a few of them a year for most people.
I have to say this attitude really gets my goat. And I'm self-employed! There are as many diligent workers in the PS as there are in the private sector, and as many dossers too. Before I became self-employed I worked in the private sector and in my experience there was no shortage of lazy workers who took every opportunity to stay out 'sick'. As for working-up for days off, I did that quite often and it often suited my employer more than it suited me. Of course I have heard of PS workers abusing the system of working-up days, but I also witnessed Private Sector workers lying about the time spent at work in order to get time off. And I know for a fact that nurses often cannot leave work when scheduled because they are still required on the ward, in the theatre, wherever - should they not get that time back? I think the adversarial relationship between PS and Private Sector workers does no one any good and doesn't contribute to the smooth running of the country.
You've never worked in the public sector - but you know they work as hard as the private sector? What do you base that on? I can tell you for a fact, that when I worked in a large civil service office, when things got quiet we would have processed the day's post by noon, I asked could I still work up flexitime - of course. Now I'm not sure how that benefits the employer more than it benefited me. I'm pretty sure that nurses that stay late get overtime rather than TOIL.
I have to say that some sick leave is due to poor management - in a number of offices where I worked, supervisors liked to have the same amount of people in every day, despite the fact that our workload/targets were set weekly. So for instance, in an office with a predominately young workforce, we were told that only two people per section could have the Monday after Electric Picnic off. Some attendees made it to work

, some didn't

.
I did predict that someone would be along after morning break to debunk our tales. Unusually this time it's a self employed person, with no public sector experience.