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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:09 am 
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Newstalk Pat Kenny
A texter (wonder who? :x ) suggested that citizens lease land from the State at market rent and build their own housing.
Pat suggested that would be akin to rates, and said it was a no go, as there would be protests :?
Really?


However, it eliminates land/house speculation and land as a stored value for personal wealth accumulation, and provides housing, so win-win?
Introducing land rent, Australia's excellent idea for making houses cheaper


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:14 pm 
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temene wrote:
Newstalk Pat Kenny
A texter (wonder who? :x ) suggested that citizens lease land from the State at market rent and build their own housing.
Pat suggested that would be akin to rates, and said it was a no go, as there would be protests :?
Really?


However, it eliminates land/house speculation and land as a stored value for personal wealth accumulation, and provides housing, so win-win?
Introducing land rent, Australia's excellent idea for making houses cheaper

Or the government could release more land to push prices down heavily


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:45 am 
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Colm McCarthy talks more sense in the Sindo
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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:20 pm 
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Minister of State Catherine Byrne has told ministerial colleagues she is considering supporting or abstaining on a motion of no confidence in Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy.

Ms Byrne has been at war with Mr Murphy over the development of 470 new homes in her constituency.

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/p ... 48502.html

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:24 pm 
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Dubhgeannain wrote:
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Minister of State Catherine Byrne has told ministerial colleagues she is considering supporting or abstaining on a motion of no confidence in Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy.

Ms Byrne has been at war with Mr Murphy over the development of 470 new homes in her constituency.

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/p ... 48502.html


I'd say the government (sic) will be sh1tting themselves over this - they'll find it very difficult to find anybody more incompetent than Eoghan Murphy to appoint to housing. If they want to continue to keep house prices up they may have to appoint a vested interest from outside the elected politicians - can I suggest Tom Parlon?


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:36 am 
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metalmike wrote:
Dubhgeannain wrote:
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Minister of State Catherine Byrne has told ministerial colleagues she is considering supporting or abstaining on a motion of no confidence in Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy.

Ms Byrne has been at war with Mr Murphy over the development of 470 new homes in her constituency.

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/p ... 48502.html


I'd say the government (sic) will be sh1tting themselves over this - they'll find it very difficult to find anybody more incompetent than Eoghan Murphy to appoint to housing. If they want to continue to keep house prices up they may have to appoint a vested interest from outside the elected politicians - can I suggest Tom Parlon?
Brilliant!


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:19 pm 
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Glad to see local politics is not dead and buried.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:19 pm 
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https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1 ... 98496?s=20

Karl Deeter collecting examples of Politicians objecting to housing developments


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:44 am 
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Roughly 400k a house in Tipperary with solar panels and the works

'They want us to drop our culture and throw it aside' - Traveller families won't move into €1.7m homes without stables and land
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/t ... 94115.html
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The houses - two five-bedroom and four three-bedroom - are all but complete but for some minor issues which have to be resolved by the building contractor....
...The development of the detached houses, with concrete walls to the rear, wooden fencing and a stone wall at the front, took more than two years to build at a cost of €1,718,670, plus VAT...
..."It's a beautiful project and we're happy with the project, but there's no room for the livestock. That's what's holding us up at the moment.
"They want us to drop our culture and throw it aside.
"It's a very, very hard thing for us to do. It's in our life, we're going back centuries."


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:20 am 
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The latest 'outrage' story in the media...now also getting the full shabang on the Joe Duffy show


They had nowhere to go': Mother and six children spend night on chairs at gardai station
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3590748
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A mother and six of her seven children were forced to stay in a Garda station in west Dublin on Wednesday night.

Margaret Cash (28), a member of the Traveller community and six of her children - aged between one and 11 - stayed at Tallaght Garda station after emergency homeless services were unable to find beds for them.

Ms Cash circulated pictures of her children sleeping on seats on social media.

Five children are photographed, asleep and fully clothed, lying across chairs in the brightly-lit seating area of Tallaght Garda station.

At least one further child not in the picture was said to be asleep on chairs elsewhere in building.

The photographs carried a caption saying: “Well after been 11 year on the housing list a year on the homeless dis is where my 7 kids have to sleep”.




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Homeless mum-of-seven Margaret Cash appears in court over stealing €300 worth of clothes from Penney's
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The court heard that Cash had 38 previous convictions, 37 of which were for road traffic matters.

Her last conviction, for theft, was in 2017.


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 34491.html

I read somewhere this one has an after tax income of 51k and obviously doesn't have to worry about the opportunity cost of working.

The activists need another poster child. Peter Casey is quite photogenic :x

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