It's very hard to listen to brexitereers make it up as the go and never be challenged about their obvious lies on msm, and never get called out on it. Fantasties about trading on wto rules since the 70s and other garbage about the Norway option are some of the clangers I heard this morning.
It's complicated stuff but a one day crash course would surely be enough to challenge the spoofers.

Soap opera continues
May dancing on the edge of a cliff

While out driving I tuned into BBC radio 2 where they were having a general chat about Brexit options, one caller said the Norway option was out as the EU makes them charge £12 for a pint there.

Humanity is probably due a cull anyway.

Tony Connelly's Brexit Republic podcast looked at the Norway+ option last week. In a radical move, rather than interviewing various heads of the Tory Party Medusa, and allowing it to argue with itself, he had spoken to Norway's representative to EFTA. Has anybody else even thought of asking them what they would think?

Turns out, they have quite a lot of thoughts on the matter. And they are not sure they want the UK barging into their little club-on-the-edge-of-a-club. For a start, the UK would be the big beast in the room, making Norway and co. hostages to UK-EU tensions. And, because EFTA operates collectively, any member can veto a new agreement between EFTA-EU. Who would welcome eurosceptics on those terms?

They also discussed how Lichtenstein exercised its right to opt out of free movement of people using an arcane clause in the EFTA-EU treaty. The implication was that Lichtenstein had a reasonable case that free movement would cause disproportionate social and economic effects on its tiny state, but that the UK would be hard-pressed to make the same case. Some of the Norway+ champions reckon they can have the good bits of Norway, a bit of the Lichtenstein opt-out, with a slice of Swiss independence to make free trade deals with the rest of the world.

Also, an interesting footnote: the EU is reviewing its relationships with the Swiss so will want to seem rigid and tough in its negotiations with the UK i.e. they are extra reluctant to reopen the deal when it fails next week.

Bottom line: the UK has been rubbish at understanding the other side of the table because its own side has been such a mess.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0001fhv

@ 29:16

Thanks for posting. Would not actually have believed that if I had not heard it myself. Staggering nonsense.

Unfortunately I bump into such people all the time where I currently am in north England. It's rather depressing but thankfully we'll be back in Ireland next year.

They really are more danger to themselves than anything else.

There was a Labour MP interviewed on Sky News this evening who was still trotting out the "EU needs us to buy their cars" line. He thinks May got a lousy deal and the UK just needs to march back over to Brussels and threaten to leave without a deal if they don't what they want.

So much for 'they are mad for herring ' agreement
As a number of informed commentators have points out its near impossible for the UK to get to a Norway plus from their current position.
They would have to go back in time and approach the EEA/EFTA countries and engage in detailed discussions to see if was even possible. But the thicko Brexiteers still think its easy to leave the EU and negotiate a FTA. Maybe they should learn to walk before they can run

British quickly running into a dead end full of stinky poo, better known as Brexit.

Jeffrey Donaldson DUP on the Pat Kenny show this morning was still using the 'car buying' line

Priti Patel says the threat of starvation in Ireland should be used as leverage to go back to Brussels.

Do millions have to starve in Britain for them to finally understand how millions starved in Ireland under direct London rule?

Even for a Tory politician, I didn't think a statement could be possibly true. I had to Google it to make sure.

In the real world though, Ireland is the 2nd most food secure country in the world.

It's gormless for sure, but it is the same uninterrupted Westminster sovereignty that induced starvation in Ireland that prosecutes Brexit now. Phil Hogan's reply cuts to the heart of it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.3723610